Mar 10 2010WWJPEW?: Raygun Jesus Fish Car Decals

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super cool

Aww I want one.. where can a girl get one?

WWGWD

WWJD..... for a Klondike Bar?

http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/wwjd-for-a-klondike-bar/

@5 Die for your sins?

@3 at this website

http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=42366131

I'm looking forward for the similar one with the halfmoon.

They spelled Sy-fy wrong. What the #^$% is a Sci-Fi.

Retards

@9 you must be a newgen Sci-Fi guy, before Sy-Fy it was Sci-Fi and us older people who enjoy SCIence FIction still refer to it as Sci-Fi.

Hahaha, I could see how some people might get their panties in a bind over this, but I honestly don't think it's meant for anything more than a chuckle. It looks great!

You buy one of these and put it on your car/face you're going to hell. You hear me you youngins? HELL! That's spelled H-E-Hockey Stick-Hockey Stick! Now get out side and play tag. But don't touch each other cause you'll go to hell. Also, no booze.

So I finally put on my T rex eating a jesus fish on my car and then they come out with this sweet blaster decal.

@11 I don't see anything funny about it. It dissapoints me how quick people ar to blaspheme in this day and age.

Jesus didn't die on the cross so people could mock him.

I hope you all enjoy your firey new home.

@10 I guess I should have included the tags

<sarcasm> </sarcasm>
tags that is...

I hate when people use Syfy wtf? it was always scifi why the hell did they change it?

@14 Jesus did it for the chicks....just sayin
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Jesus' marketing department must be having fits over this. I smell divine lawsuit.

This is great, but I want a decal of one of these:
http://www.b5tech.com/minbari/minbariships/sharlin/sharlin.html

@14 I'd rather go to the "firey" place than hang out in the clouds with self-righteous schmucks like you. But I am going to get reincarnated (though I might call in at Valhalla in between lives), thanks very much.

@14 I'm sure Jesus didn't die on the cross for people to make quick and easy money off of tacky Jesus-fish decals either, so get over it.

Oh, and Sy-Fy is stupid.

It's SCIence FIction.

Idiots.

ChristianWarrior you make me laugh, look if god exists, and he/she is omnipotent, then trust me, they get the joke. BTW if you go to hell for a vinyl sticker then i would say their whole system is little f---ed.

As a Christian for the duration of my life and someone who in recent years has actually started living it as a lifestyle and relationship rather than a set of rigid rules to follow:

I think this is funny, and there's nothing sacrilegious about it. Sure it's probably meant to mock Christians. Frankly, many of deserve to be mocked.

The Jesus fish is not a sacred element of Christian culture. It's a lame marketing technique that millions of Christians bought into as a way to immediately ostracize themselves from other americans while on the road.

The Jesus fish is the joke, especially considering that it has more pagan roots than Christian ones. The only symbol that Christ's message needs is the cross. End of story.

Then again, many could argue that Christians have turned the cross itself into an idol, but I won't go into that.

Bottom line, if you really feel so adamantly about any religious or political issue that you feel the need to use the back of your car as a sounding board to all you drive by, you're a pretentious, arrogant douche.

If you want to make me laugh while I'm driving though, then I say go for it.

And yes, I'm aware, that means there's A LOT of douches out there.

WWJPEW? I'm pretty sure he would PEW atheists and non-believers......with love........in the face.

@14 you are trolling fish in a barrel, bro

you know this right

Since we are all a construct of God, technically he made the decals, so ya know, he's cool with it.

Who the fuck is jesus?

Blasphameeeeeeeeeee....blasforyouuuuuuuuu ( <--- Eddie Izzard)

#28

the guy who runs the corner-shop

#28 Madonna's boyfriend?

@25 - Finally, a Christian with a sense of reason!
Not being a Christian myself, I feel that many people are quick to accuse some Moslems of being judgemental nutters - but you only have to look at the Christian faith to realize that many of them are just the same - but perhaps not such fundamentalists!!

Just don't get me started on the Christian monopolisation of Saturnalia or why Christians get upset by the use of Xmas (clue: its because they don't know the Greek origins of the word!)

@29 FTW
Do you like bread? I've got a french loaf....

@28 He goes by the name Jesus and steals hubcaps from cars
Oh Jesus can I borrow your crowbar?
To pry these God damn nails out they're beginning to hurt
Crucified and all I got was this lousy T-shirt

@24 For once a labeled "Christian" makes a valid point and made sense at the same time.

Oh, like Jesus from Nazareth? He rules ass

thanks everybody! they sold out quicker than i was prepared for- this was just a test batch! i put up my remaining stock on etsy and i should have more up in a week or two!
so bookmark my shop and stay tuned! thanks!

this just shows that you can be a Christian and be down with SciFi and ray guns. To me this is pro Christian. Kinda like

http://www.bikersforchrist.org/

@14
I give you a 7 out of 10 on that troll

@24 Exactly...

alright, the last one of this first batch is about to sell out. thanks!- then i'm posting the numbers for the next batch already on it's way to me, though they may not be sent out for a few days until i get them. thanks!

and it is friendly to christian and sci-fi belief. you can totally have both. just like i think you can have creation, evolution and intelligent design.
after all- what is more intelligent than to design something that is capable of change?
also, sci-fi has inspired scientists to actually try and create what the writers have come up with since, at the very least, jules verne.
and most times, battles are often fought over religion, not imagination.

touched on an interesting topic really

Does anyone even care what Christians think... seriously?

Just assume they're offended by everything.

I'm a christian, but I also have a sense of humor. I happen to think this car decal is creative.

@42: That's rather closed-minded of you, but western culture is kinda closed-minded about most things so i'm not surprised. As a Christian myself (who knows a good number of fellow believers), i would say that #24 is alot more representational of the demographic than #14. If you honestly believe that the average Christian is less intelligent than the average [anything else], i think you need to broaden your mind and experience more firsthand.
Obviously (as online flamers are quick to prove), Christianity suffers its share of uneducated dogmatists, but then again so do most beliefs, especially atheism. Commitment without consideration is just a way of postmodern western culture!

But for the record, i am loathe to believe that #14 was actually sincere in his statements, instead of just trolling, as it appears. Especially since GW disclaimed in the post already. But who knows, there are plenty of idiots out there...

I don't have a problem with this other than that Sci-fi seems like an odd thing to care about enough to put on your car. But then so does Apple Inc, and that's more rampant than Jesusfish.

Haha, that'll bump those self righteous Christians down a notch

@9, where the %$#* did you learn how to spell, do you spell Science "Syence". I dont think so. its called a dictionary, look at one sometime.

@24 The alpha fish is an ancient Christian symbol, not a modern gimmick. It was used by early Christians as secret symbol to identify each other and avoid being killed by the Romans.

Some people think the fish is similar to "I <3 (whatever)" stickers. That it means "I love..." and you can put whatever you want in it. Not so. The symbol itself stands for Christ. Any use of the alpha fish in a non-Christian context is disrespectful whether it is intended or not.

@9 Syfy is a trademark of the Syfy channel (formerly Sci-Fi Channel). They wanted something they could legally trademark since Sci-Fi is in the public domain. If the guy who made this decal used Syfy he could be sued.

SO SAY WE ALL!

i don't know whether to laugh or cry that some people actually think science fiction is condensed to SYFY.
the Syfy channel has totally ruined the word now... their name looks like a hip term for syphilis... :/

@32 The origin of X-mas is that in ancient greek, Christ starts with X. It is a perfectly acceptable abbreviation so long as you don't pronounce it "Ex-mas."

I don't think it is fair so say Christians get upset about this. The beef is with "Happy Holidays." Specifically when government and corporation leaders (same guys really) make it a policy not to acknowledge Christmas in any way.

@44 Atheism isn't a belief system... it's a non-belief in your imaginary friend/s.

And I'm sure you, as a believer, would know other believers... you cloak yourselves in cosy little 'believer' communities, to pat yourselves on the back for being lucky enough to be born in to the 'right' religion. Please.

Quit arguing you retards. The only the to be gained from this is that putting that on the back of your car makes you look like a douche bag.

@51 Well put. Atheism is a non-belief system. It is people making a point of offending everyone else on the planet by trivializing their deities.

And I'm sure you, as an atheist, would know other atheists... you cloak your selves in cosy little '??????' communities, to pat yourselves on the back for being lucky enough to be born in a time and place that allows freedom of speech, even if that speech is pointless and spiteful. You're welcome.

@53

a= without
Theism= belief in god.

Where's the system?

I know many people, some theists some atheists some who just can't be buggered either way. Do I congregate in buildings purchased with public/private funding to sing praise to our non-belief? Ah, no.

And yes, I'm very lucky to be born in a time/place where I can freely discuss my lack of belief in your deity... or any deity. Free from the violence you people have brought on the world in the name of your god.

I can even buy a sticker for my car... but probably won't. My insurance doesn't cover keying in the name of the messiah.

@54 Three words for you... Atheists have meetings

@55 I'm sure they do! I like keggers myself... now to get them publicly subsidised.

Hmmm.

@56 Publicly subsidized atheist keggers? We have them. They are called state universities.

@57 Ba-zing!

Alo, stop being so self righteous and pretentious. It screams douchebag, and if you're one of those, you might as well buy this sticker.

In other words... the mean person on the internet is making me sad and offending my personal beliefs.

Get off the cross, we need the wood.

All I said was who cares what Christians think? You guys are so rabid... go have a kegger and chill out.

@57 OMG stop talking, you're making a complete ass of yourself! Atheists DON'T have meetings, they are freethinkers. It is actually a disadvantage, atheists should get organized in order for the rest of society to notice how many of us there actually are. Maybe then we'd be taken more seriously as a significant force in society. "It is people making a point of offending everyone else on the planet by trivializing their deities." THAT is what's offensive, disrespectful and discriminatory, because it says "Religious people are allowed to speak up openly about their faith and nobody is allowed to touch them, and hurt their feelings. But atheists can't do that, no sir." Please, get an education asap!

don't mean to bump...but the bible says not worship any image or idol, this so called fish represents the eye of horus ra/satan,the one eyed sun god. a fish alone could never represent the sacrifice/love JESUS showed for humanity by Crucifying himself.

@60 Wow. Is it opposite day in your town? Take two seconds to Google "atheist meetings" before you call me an ass.

You know how I know I am winning this argument? Because all you can do is call me names and try to bully me into keeping silent while you make up quotes for me.

@63 you won? Omg, you proved the existence of your deity?!?

Quick everyone, god is coming... Look busy.

@61 You are not helping. The same part of the Bible that talks about not worshiping idols, the Ten Commandments, also talks about the ornately carved box used for holding the Ten Commandments. There is a difference between having religious imagery and worshiping it. No one goes into their driveway to kneel before their car's back bumper (unless, you know, it's time to put that little sticker on their license plate.)

@64 I did not set out to prove the existence of God. My argument is that using Christian symbols in a non-religious context is disrespectful. I think these exchanges have demonstrated that there is much deliberate disrespect for Christians around here.

But since you brought it up. I can no more prove the existence of God than you can disprove it. However, Christians at least have the hope that they will be proved right when they die, while Atheists hope they will be snuffed out like a candle and never know if they were right.

@63 That was not an insult, it was stating a fact and refering to everything I have read in your comments. You are doing the insulting by accusing atheists of doing nothing but offend religious people. Geez, we can't help that you're so damn sensitive. Always playing the victim. Ever considered how much discrimination atheists go through in this country? They're the "new gays".

And I have done the googling before. Maybe I should rephrase it: Yes, there are some "clubs", I guess you can call them, for like-minded people to exchange thoughts. But they are very rare (I found maybe a handful in DFW) and not publicly present like your churches are. Of the roughly 18% of Americans who identify themselves as non-religious, how many will actually participate in these clubs? Most likely not even 2% of the total number of people. Why? Because a) they are too scared to even admit to others or themselves that they are in fact atheists, and b) they consciously choose not to congregate like religions do in order not to be put in the same category. But people do it anyway, so what the heck... I understand their reasoning but I would love to see an organized atheism movement, about which I'm sure you would not be happy at all. Right?

@63 That was not an insult, it was stating a fact and refering to everything I have read in your comments. You are doing the insulting by accusing atheists of doing nothing but offend religious people. Geez, we can't help that you're so damn sensitive. Always playing the victim. Ever considered how much discrimination atheists go through in this country? They're the "new gays".

And I have done the googling before. Maybe I should rephrase it: Yes, there are some "clubs", I guess you can call them, for like-minded people to exchange thoughts. But they are very rare (I found maybe a handful in DFW) and not publicly present like your churches are. Of the roughly 18% of Americans who identify themselves as non-religious, how many will actually participate in these clubs? Most likely not even 2% of the total number of people. Why? Because a) they are too scared to even admit to others or themselves that they are in fact atheists, and b) they consciously choose not to congregate like religions do in order not to be put in the same category. But people do it anyway, so what the heck... I understand their reasoning but I would love to see an organized atheism movement, about which I'm sure you would not be happy at all. Right?

I guess everyone needs a crutch in life...right? Cease this infernal (cwotididthur) bickering and crack on with your life. Believe what you want, or don't what you don't...just persist from RAMMING IT DOWN MY FUCKING THROAT! :)

@64 lol There goes the argumentum ad ignorantiam: You cannot prove that something does NOT exist, only that something DOES exist. So you better get busy.

"Christians at least have the hope that they will be proved right when they die" and waste their entire lifetime on earth (the only one you get for all you KNOW - hope does not equal knowledge) working towards the afterlife and being afraid of going to hell, instead of enjoying the one life you KNOW you have.

"...while Atheists hope they will be snuffed out like a candle and never know if they were right" What an assumption. I'm not afraid of a goddam thing. I love my life and I focus it on the positive things and will work my ass off to make this the best life it can possibly be. I don't plan to fuck up, so I won't need a back-up life. Don't make assumptions because you're wrong.

@66 If you can't prove the existence of something, it's illogical to default to a belief that it does. But you're not the most rational of people when it comes to matters of your faith, are you?

And yes, I'll continue to live my life fully and happily, doing the good things I do because it makes me feel nice and not because I want to be rewarded when I die.

@68 What do Atheists do besides offending religious people? What is the goal? I am being serious, because my only exposure to Atheism is when they are being offensive to religion.

Read your own posts. Who is playing the victim?

True most people who self-identify as non-religious do not attend Atheist meetings. But that's like saying that most self-identified religious folk don't go to synagogue. Atheism is a smaller subset of non-religious, which is already a small subset (18% in America, according to you) of society. So of course you don't see as much public Atheist activity as you see from my church (which I haven't stated, yet you assume to know.)

If Atheists are too scared (of what?) to admit it to others or even themselves, how do you know of them? Are you just assuming again?

You are right about one thing, I am not happy about the organized Atheism movement, because they keep trying to overturn freedom of religion in my country. I respect their right to try, but I reserve my right to speak out against them.

@59
When you say "Who cares what Christians think," you're essentially calling out a good majority of people as unintelligent just for the sheer fact that they have a different religious affiliation than you. This debate isn't so much about the existence of a deity as it is you thinking you're a better person for not believing in said deity. Get off your high horse, we're all people here and you're no better than anybody else.

@70 You meant @68, 64 is on your side.

I resent you calling my life a waste. Believe it or not, Christians can be happy in this life.

You say I made a wrong assumption about your afterlife. Okay, set me straight. What do Atheist believe happens when they die?

@71 Actually, I am the most rational of people when it comes to matters of faith. It is more logical to assume the existence of God (even in the absence of proof) than to assume the non-existence. Ask me why.

@73 Good point. I'd like to hear what you think about the ray gun. I say, clever yet unintentionally offensive. Probably inspired by the Darwin fish, which is intentionally offensive.

Hey! nice sticker!

"It's just a spoof on the Jesus fish design and isn't intended to have any deeper, anti-religious meaning than that. But is that gonna stop you all from flame-warring it up in the comments? No, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT WJWD."

Ah the fate of these comments was that predictable.

@14 way to go, you really got the ball rolling! Keep it up!

@64 Sorry about that. it would be a lot easier if there were a reply button.

@mashplum (let's make this a little clearer): What do atheists want?

1) Guaranteeing the separation of state and church. That's the most important part. This country is not a theocracy. All atheists want is that you keep religion out of politics and education, and in church or the privacy of your own home. I think even Jesus mentioned that in the bible, didn't he? Religious people have no right whatsoever to determine who can get married and who can't, or whether a woman has the right to have an abortion. If it doesn't affect people, they have no right to decide for others. Period.

2) Don't mess with medical progress (although I guess that falls into category 1 as well): just because religious people think stem cell research is immoral doesn't mean everybody has to agree. I don't have to live my life according to your rules, just like you don't have to live your according to mine.

3) I refuse to let religious folk equate me with murderers and rapists for not believing in god. Yes, it happens all the time, I've been called the nastiest things. Admitting you're an atheist can have big negative social consequences, kinda like being gay. There is a social stigma and it's not right. And that is why people are afraid. I have many atheist friends who only started talking to me openly after I "came out" first, but they won't talk openly in public about it. Sad but true.

And that is how religious people disrespect "religious freedom" in this country. Atheists don't want to take ANYTHING away from you, keep going to church, live your life however you want but keep it in private. It's not like were trying to tell you not to wear a cross around your neck. Just stay out of areas you don't belong in in the first place. And your being unhappy about the atheist movement is just another example of your intolerance.

And ok, so it's 15%, I know I read 18% somewhere, but this http://www.trincoll.edu/AboutTrinity/News_Events/trinity_news/030909_Religion.htm says it's 15%.

What do atheists think happens when they die? We have no freaking clue! We don't know what happens, maybe everything is over, maybe we live on on the astral plain or in a parallel universe, I don't know. And neither do you or any other religious person. But at least atheist have the guts to admit that they don't have the faintest idea. Hence, why worry about it? We'll know the answer sooner or later.

@77 WWJD? He loved to argue religion. It was what he spent most of his time doing. He was good at it too... a little too good at it, you might say.

He got offended at money changers at the temple, so I'm guessing he would not like his symbol being made into a handgun, but he would probably also forgive it.

@ 78 Vic

By the numbers:
1) Separation of church and state was designed to give people freedom to worship (or not) without being hounded by an official state church. You already have that. I will stand with you if anyone tries to make America a theocracy. But I see Atheists trying to make theirs the state religion, forcing religion out of politics and eduction makes those institutions Atheist. Also, show me in the Bible where Jesus talks about this. In his day government, eduction and religion were all together and Jesus did not keep his views private. Marriage is a religious rite, so I am inclined to say it is government that is overstepping in this case. I am pro choice.
2) I am in favor of stem cell research.
3) I'm sure it must be difficult being openly gay in Texas. But as long as people don't take away your rights and freedoms, they are under no obligation to like you. In the same way, I am free to express my displeasure at your Atheist views. I won't try to take away your right to hold them, but I will argue against them when you make them public. Telling Christians "live your life however you want but keep it in private" is like Don't Ask, Don't Tell for religion. I don't think that is fair at all.

If you can believe in some kind of afterlife involving "the astral plain or in a parallel universe", then you are pretty open minded, why not add Heaven to that list of possibilities? Is Heaven offensive to you just because Christians believe in it?

@73 How is saying "Who cares what Christians think?" in any way casting aspersions on a group of peoples intellect? Let me pose another scenario.

Blog post about new, exciting, totally campy musical that predicts a backlash from mimes in the comments section of said blog post.

Alo - "Does anyone even care what Mimes think... seriously?"

@ Mashplum - Please do tell how it's at all rational to default to a belief that something exists when there's no evidential proof that it does. /chortles

@80
1) "forcing religion out of politics and eduction makes those institutions Atheist" No, it would make them impartial, which they should be according to the separation of state and church. Every major society who has mingled the two has failed, and rightfully so. Do you think the U.S. is ideologically closer to European countries or countries such as Iran and Afghanistan? This is not Jesus' time anymore. But if his days were better, then we must surely take away women's rights again and bring back all the other aspects of life 2000 years ago that we now find outdated. Right? Wrong! Religion does NOT belong in politics and education.

And marriage is not solely a religious concept, it's been around a lot longer than 2000 years, mainly with backgrounds like a business deal or merging of territories. Should we bring that back, too? Arranged marriage for reasons other than love? And while we're at it, how about polygamy? It's a religious concept, just a muslim one. Here's Merriam-Webster's definition: "the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law". I was married before the state, not the church, and I'd like to keep it that way. I hate to bring this up again but take Europe (where christianity is still the biggest religion and people are still religious) Over there, your church wedding isn't worth jack shit, not even official, if you don't also have a civil ceremony first. I know what you're probably gonna say "This is not Europe, this is America", but what works for them can also work for us over here, when it's the right thing to do - I know, I'm biased. Just thought I'd throw it in there anyways.

2) Good for you but not all religious people agree or will respect that when it comes to making laws. Look at W., he surely didn't give a damn, and he justified his decision with his religious conviction. Do you agree with what he did? (And when I said "you", I mean religious people in general, not you personally.)

3) "But as long as people don't take away your rights and freedoms, they are under no obligation to like you." But that's my point exactly, they are, gay marriage is illegal in almost the entire country, and Texas doesn't even recognize civil unions for gay people. It's fine if they don't like gays or disagree with the fact that being gay is natural but they have no right to make gays abide by their personal beliefs. You cannot force people to live according to your personal rules, nobody has that right.

And I didn't say I can believe in an afterlife, I said I don't know and therefore, it's a possibility. The only thing we know about death is that our bodies die and rot away. We don't even know if we have souls or not, there is not evidence whatsoever. So based on zero knowledge and evidence about what happens after death, I say pretty much everything is possible in theory. Do I personally think heaven and hell are likely to exist? No, because they are concepts from mythology and nobody has ever come back to tell us (and near-death-experiences don't count). When I say the astral plain or parallel universes might be possibilities, that opinion is rooted in science. Physics has long known about both theories, has calculated them, they just haven't been proven yet - just like galaxies outside our own were simply a theory but hadn't been observed until a couple of decades ago, or like black holes. Science doesn't offer complete explanations and evidence for all our questions yet, but still a heck of a lot more than mythology has to offer. The only piece of support for the existence of heaven and hell is a book written by a bunch of non-scientific men. Thanks, I think I'll stick with what we know.

And even IF I'm wrong and heaven and hell exist, I still have nothing to worry about. I'm a good person, I like helping people and haven't done a bad thing in my life. According to your rules, I'd go to heaven either way.

@81 You're basically saying their opinion doesn't matter, and thus, isn't as valuable as your own. This would logically lead one to believe you think you are better than all Christians and that your opinions are of more value to the world than theirs are, regardless of the subject. (Whether it be about religion, stickers, or bacon)

Oh and I was thinking of Matthew 6:5 - 7 where Jesus promotes private prayer. This came up in a discussion about prayer at the beginning of government meetings - which violates secularism AND apparently Jesus' will.

@81 Thanks for asking.

1) The Bible is evidence of a sort. Atheists like to argue that one might as well believe in a flying spaghetti monster as God, because they both have no proof. While God has no proof, there is at least evidence. To believe in anything one can't experience first-hand, requires one to accept the word of someone else. I have no proof that George Washington existed, only evidence. Did he exist? There are no decedents of Washington. People said some wild stuff about him - that he was bullet-proof, that he couldn't lie, that he could throw a dollar across the Potomac River. I choose to believe some of what was said about him and doubt the rest, but I believe he existed. I also choose to believe God exists, based on the accounts of the people who wrote the Bible. But, I believe only some of what is said about Him. You may not believe in God, but you probably believe in Shakespeare, Homer, and Sun Tzu because of their writings, all of which may be falsely attributed. To believe in God makes more sense, at least, than believing in the FSM, and maybe more than believing in other famous figures.

2) Pascal's wager. Pascal was pretty rational.

3) Free will. If there is no God, then who gave us free will? Atheists only believe in Science, but Science has no answer. Some scientists think we may not actually have free will - that we are bound by the same laws of the universe that control the fates of planets and atoms. That all of our actions are inevitable, because how can a bag of matter and energy "decide" to do anything. I can no more choose to stop typing than the Earth can choose to stop turning. I prefer to believe that I have free will, because that makes me happier. So I have to believe in something that allows that to happen, and I call that something God. If you can prove that I don't have free will, or that something else allows for it, then I will listen to you.

4) God exists, even if he doesn't. If God is not the Creator of the Universe, then what is he? He is a fictional character of unknown authorship, who has had an unprecedented effect on the world. Just as the fictional King Arthur gave real kings (who believed in him) a model of chivalry, a fictional God would still be a force for good in the world. Why try to convince people whose morality may only hinge on their belief in God, that God is fiction. You may just talk them into becoming evil. (For the record, I believe there was a real King Arthur too)

@82

1) A lotta problems here. If no religious people are allowed in government then the bulk of the nation is left out. And if they are allowed in, but only if they hide their religious beliefs, then their rights are being stripped. The American way is to let people be religious or not, hide it or show it, and govern according to the law.

We are closer to Europe than Iran, I don't know what you are getting at here. But I do know that I don't want an Atheist State like the Soviet Union any more than I want a Theocracy. I like American style freedom of conscience.

You are correct that this is not 1st century Palestine, and I never said that those days were better. Don't put words in my mouth. But this is Jesus' time in the sense that he still has many followers - more than ever. Jesus was against "showy" prayers, and many politicians pray and invoke his name just for show. I agree that this is wrong, but it is between them and God. Jesus did not advocate hiding ones faith or denying God.

As for marriage, this is an unfortunate entanglement of state and church. I believe a church can decide to whom they will administer the rite of matrimony, but the government should deny the right of marriage to no one. It would be best if the gov't called it civil union for everyone, and got out of the marriage business altogether. BTW, in Europe a church wedding is worth something to the people who have it, and it is "God official" even if it is not "government official."

2) W got many religious people on his side by being a "showy Christian." Didn't work on me nor a lot of other Christians. Unlike Republicans*, Christians are not all the same. *kidding**sorta

3) I'm sorry some people denied your rights, and I'm sorry they happened to be Christians. But why single that out? Are all Christians to blame for every bad thing another one does? Fidel Castro is an Atheist, are you willing to responsible for all that he has done? No.

The astral plane and alternate universes are not science, they are mysticism and science fiction. I happen to believe in alternate universes, but only 'cause I think they're neat. As for "nobody has ever come back to tell us" about Heaven, Christians believe that Jesus has. Sure he wasn't a scientist, but no one was back then. If Darwin came back and told you there was a Heaven would that satisfy you?

I'm glad you try to live a good life. You like helping people, but you also have a lot of hate. According to "the rules" good works are not enough, you have to accept Jesus to go to Heaven. I hope that God is like Ellen and that, win or lose, we all get a prize for playing. The parable of the prodigal son leads me to believe we all have a chance.

When it comes down to it, a Christian with absolute certainty is as annoying as an Atheist with absolute certainty, and both are the kind who will try to take away our rights. To stay OT here: I think the Jesus Gun is in very bad taste, but God Bless America that he has the right to sell them.

@ all

I'm going to sleep. This was fun.

Thats awesome! I have been thinking about putting the Darwin fish with the little feet on my car but this is so much cooler!

Also.. there are so many comments that I don't want to read!

people are really getting upset about this? about the jesus fish being turned 'into a handgun'- as someone put it?

it's a retro ray gun. a fictitious device that has never actually killed anyone :P

@86 Ok, I think you don't understand a lot I'm getting at.

1) Iran let's religion interfere with government and make laws. Just like some people here want it. That's what I was getting at. And being a secular country does not make you the Soviet Union, it makes you Germany, Britain or France. They are all secular, none of them prohibit religion. That's NOT what it's about, and I know I've said that before. That's NOT what atheists want.

And actually, the number of people who identify themselves as Christians or religious is slowly decreasing worldwide. Look it up.

2) Good for hear.

3) I was not talking about MY personal rights. I'm a woman married to a man - in a civil ceremony - but I feel for all homosexuals who get denied their civil rights. Such things are due to collective Christian effort, one bad Christian couldn't have banned gay marriage, it took a LOT of them to get there.

And they may be science-fiction but not mysticism, they are theoretically possible. Mathematical calculations have shown their existence on paper, abidinfg by the general laws of physics. And remember: today's science-fiction is tomorrow's science. Give it a couple more decades. And you know it, other wise you wouldn't like this website.

I know enough about religion to know that the only unforgivable sin is denying the holy spirit. A benevolent, generous and loving god would never send a person who is good in all his/her deeds to hell, just because they doubted his existence. Don't even try to "scare" me lol

Ok this was fun indeed. Thanks for the civilized convo and confirming me in my beliefs - or lack thereof ;)

@66 Atheists don't "hope they will be snuffed out" - they just think that's the case and are able to acknowledge this belief (or even fear). Try to think through the white-hot denial of death for just a moment. It's like this: I don't "hope" that the sun will rise tomorrow, I just think it's pretty likely.

It's a cool sticker. I also like the Cthulu one (being a fan of Lovecraft).

Separation of church and state is safe and sound here. We have no state religion. We have elected leaders from a broad spectrum of beliefs and no one is forcing anyone to worship any one way or diety.

My God is big enough to take a joke. Who am I to be offended? The Jesus I follow left instructions to take it and love you. Christians who get it should be the most joyful people you know. Sorry so many people calling themselves Christian don't seem to get it, aren't joyful, hide their light under a bowl and repel the very people meant to be included, served and loved.

To classify everyone who believes in God, or is at least willing to see where they end up if they re-label "luck," "chance," "random series of events" God for a minute, as unintelligent is ignoring a substantial body of work by some very intelligent people (Augustine, C.S. Lewis and Francis Collins - head scientist on the Human Genome project).

@ Alo: Grow up. There is absolutely no reason for your juvenile spite and arrogance.
If you believe ANYTHING at all about the state of humanity and the universe, then you have a "system" of beliefs. If you honestly do not believe in anything, then you're a nihilist, which is still a belief system.

And WTF are you talking about "cosy communities?" Your ignorance is astounding. You know nothing about me at all! You think i live in some sort of "christians only" neighborhood? That i don't talk to anyone that doesn't agree with my beliefs? Thankfully not all "atheists" (or whatever the hell you think you are without a system) are as fallacious as you, or it would indeed be very tempting to seek out such a mythical commune.

I wasn't born into this religion, i chose it by process of elimination and personal conviction. You don't want it, fine, but that doesn't give you the right to be pompously judgmental and intolerant. Or is respect for your fellow man not a value to those with no "system" of values at all? If you have any sense of decency, morality, logic, or epistemology, you have SOME kind of a system, moron.
Maybe later in your life you'll stop thinking that people who agree with you are intellectually superior to those who don't. But the internet is a friendly place for your aggressive ilk, so maybe not.

so are you children done playing "my dad is better than your dad" yet? the fact that you invest so much into what another stranger on the internet thinks, whether they be christian, athiest, or pastafarian, makes you retarded & petty. that means you, alo & mashplum.
you want people to take you & your "woe is me, everyone's against me because i'm athiest/christian/a total dick" plight seriously, try not acting like an outraged child all over the web.
enjoy the sticker or don't. there's no reason to make it into some biblical war.

I'm going to make a sticker with Jesus in a Starfleet uniform. Then all you Sci-Fi believers will see how disrespectful this is...

:)

@73

Ofcourse we feel better than you. You're fucking gullible. When someone is convinced little green men are living in his walls and that the only way to make them leave is by killing his family, he is locked away. From my point of view your believes are just as illogical, just slightly less dangerous in the short term.

Itt: quality trolling and proof that GW is in fact a prophet.

Aha! @ 96 do it already. Somehow I don't think it will have the desired effect of making us "non-believers see how disrespectful this is", but will definately make at least one of us consider the possibility that you may have a sense of irony. But what can I say, I'm a sucker for Jebus in uniform.

:)

#25 Jaded Idol said -
WWJPew....I'm pretty sure he would PEW atheists and non-believers......with love........in the face.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

"Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll to to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money."
-George Carlin-

@97 I love how you automatically assume I'm a Christian, even though I've given no information to support such. All I've been against here is people thinking they're better than others, simply for their beliefs. Whether these people are Christian, Atheist, or Muslim, they're all wrong. We're all people and our opinions should be valued the same. If anybody else wants to reply to one of my comments without reading it thoroughly again, be my guest.

We live in a universe where there are more known stars that the total population of humans on earth. We are insignificant, and we will all be extinct one day, and the universe will continue as though we were never here.

Wow.... a 100+ comment thread.... this usually when you have a post dealing with religion..... which is really nothing more than "modern day mythology"..... it is used to explain things people don't understand..... the same way mythology was used to explain things that weren't understood at the time.... just sayin

its so hilarious what people will do when you say it "with authority"

if youve gone around and studied many of the various religions of the world, the wisdom traditions, the esoteric self-cultivation practices, etc. and then you pick up the bible and say "yes, i want to be christian - that is what i choose" - i can respect that

what i dont respect is people who think their environmental programming is somehow their own "belief", their own "idea". thats not how it works - society raises people to be part of society, and if you grow up in a christian environment that doesnt mean you are christian. it means you were programmed that way.

wake up

I don't see this as Blasphemy, but as a way to combine two different ideals.

You'd think the Christian Science people would be buying these by the palette!

Plus.. I thought Imitation was the best form of flattery. :D

It still looks like the Jesus fish and so can still be mistaken as such so no thanks.

See the post above mine #105 I agree with him on this.

It is ok my children, there is no more need to fight. Please put an end to it quickly.

@96

i'd so buy a sticker of Captain Jesus H. Christ xD
fuck it.. i'll make it myself xD

"Space.. the Final days... these are the Voyages of the Star Ship Revelation, its never ending mission to spread the word to strange new worlds... to save new lives and new civilizations.. to wisely go where no God has gone before"

but i guess that was not yer intended result...

seriously tho, my family is catholic, i have christian uncles... have 4 agnostic friends, 2 atheists and some pagan... and one i cant quite put my finger on what it actually is.. i only know its Judeo-Christian... (me.. is anyone's guess, and for now my business alone xD) we all have a sense of humor.. but over all... jokes aside, we respect each others beliefs...

sadly this respect doesn't work that well in a bigger scale.. bigotry will remain an entropic element of society..
really sad =/

The Devil

I guess what gets me about this whole thing is that it's always ok to step on the toes of the Christian community, but try and make something similar to this about the muslim religion and it would never get put into production.

@ 112 That's because the muslims would bomb the shit out of us, christians just whine about it.

@109 WE ALREADY HAD SHOES THIS POST! See @62.

Anyway, JESUS IS FAKE AND YOU ARE A FOOL FOR THINKING HE ISN'T.

Carry on with the hate please.

Jeez... Look at all the comments over this one.

@14 - Quit being so uptight. I'm sure Jesus, a humble carpenter, had a sense of humor even though many of you think he didn't.

FYI: I'm a Catholic, and I think this is funny. I don't see any reason to get so upset over something so small.

@9 - I'm glad they used "SciFi" instead of the new "Sy-Fy." Remember when the SciFi Channel had all those cool commercials? The truck that compacts into a cube. The picnic blanket that put up a forest. It was cool. Now it's all purple and stupid.

@109 - You f***ing retard! GO AWAY!

There are a lot of comments. Why cannot people let it be. You could be a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Gay, Straight, Black, White, Poor, Rich or even middle class. WHO CARES! To Each Its Own...... I could have sworn I read that somewhere. Where is that book??? oh here it is, keeps my table level.

People: if you are Gay, it is ok; Black, good for you; Christian, OUTSTANDING!!; oh you're Jewish, great; no beliefs, awesome; NAZI, cool beans; You practice witchcraft, have at it; You want same sex marriage, congratulations ladies and dudes; You are a member of the KKK, have fun.

Why does an individual belief have to infuriate the world? WHO F$@KING CARES.

It doesn't matter, but what does is; constantly standing on your pedestal trying to force your thoughts, hopes, dreams and ideologies on others. So why don't we just agree to disagree, move forward and worry how messed up your own lives are besides worrying about others.

Well, GW, is that entertaining enough for you?

Hello all three people that read this.

I think that was probably the most interesting, civil, and entertaining thread I have ever read about beliefs. *copies and pastes*

Also, I think that the sticker reflects how far we've come as a global society to be able to make a joke about beliefs and not end up being drawn and quartered. I would honestly love to reply to the 15 or so posts that doubled me over with laughter, but I think the one post that really deserves to be recognized is @117.

Remember, to each his own.

i am deeply offended by this... lol jk, but anyone that is is a total faggot tool. aka a gay ass dildo.

Praise the all powerful name of Jesus Christ.

Men fear Him so greatly that they they even despise a little fish emblem simply because they know it represents Him.

I know I have chosen wisely.

Thank you Lord God for revealing this truth to this assembly of mankind.

How wise are you, oh Lord, that you can provoke such enmity with so simple a thing!

How I envy your brilliance and wish I could do justice to your holy name herein, or anywhere.

But alas, I am just a foolish little man.

Never the less, thank you for showing me that Jesus is the way, by showing me without doubt who men hate and fear.

They could have chosen to despise anything, but they singled out your Son.

There are hundreds of others who call themselves god.

Why not hate them?

Because they know... they know... they know...

Amen

@118

Helllooooo to youuu toooo :D

Ok....so someone probably already said something
About the whole sci-fi name change...I just dnt feel lyk
Reading everyones posts....

Long story short...

The dumb ppl changed it to syfy cuz they wanted
younger viewers, more ratings, to be "hip" blah Bleh bloo...

That's why...I'm pretty sure most of u already knew that.

@124 Not to mention the fact that they can't copyright "Sci-Fi"... they needed something they could copyright... so they dum-- i mean.. streamlined it to a marketable/copyrightable thing-a-ma-bob =)

Know what's funny? The posts get longer and longer the further down you scroll.

Me, I'm a Christian (non-flame-posting-type) and I think this sticker is funny as all get out. I love Science Fiction. I love Jesus too. The fish isn't a sacred element of Christianity, but if you wanna get your skivvies in a wad, I guess you could get upset by this.

I think that's why people get turned off by our faith though. They feel we are easily offended. Relax, brothers and sisters! It's His kindness that leads us to repentance!