Aug 21 2009Interesting: Video Explaining The Big Bang

FIRST!!!!!!! FIRST FIRST!!!!!!!1

FAKE!!!!

This is a completew photoshop job. You can tell its a fake because the shadow's are all wrong.

This is exactly like that scene in the movie Never BAck Down where Max was told by the police to put his hands in the circles and asked if he was human. He replied "Negative, I'm a meat popsicle" At which point the cops went aft5er his neighbor.

Huh, so although there is no examples that anything can be created out of nothing, the BIGGEST something was created out of nothing? I'll buy it!!

She doesn't even mention the bible and god. (obviously fake.)

Daisy really is beginning to piss me off.

@3
She does imply that our universe by all means could have been made out of a previous universe, which was made out of a previous universe, which also happened to be made out of a previous universe, etc etc.

Also they do say they don't know what happened exactly so maybe it wasn't made from nothing. Maybe there was something, just something that would've been able to make all the universe, like a big machine (not a robot... maybe a robot) at the center of the universe that makes matter!!! I doubt it though.

Also @4
eh, nvm I won't go there.

Moo

@1. JSDavidson:
The greatest example of turning nothing into something?

"First."

FTW

Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.

Ew, i just stepped in some bible. Gross, it's all over my shoe.

Science states that matter cannot be created or destroyed....but this chick states just the opposite.....it takes more faith to believe in a series of cosmic accidents that yielded the most complex beings out of single cell organisms...than it takes to believe in God...

So...people can believe EVERYTHING came out of nothing all of the sudden, despite the fact that this violates our universe's basic laws, infallible from both a theological AND scientific standpoint. (not to mention that this has never been observed...EVER.) Yet somehow you think, nay, KNOW that there just can't be a God. Cause that would be silly.

Human logic is flawed. It is both arrogant and preposterous to presume that we can scientifically explain everything with man's limited knowledge. I mean, for nothing to exist, or for something to be created from nothing, or for something to stretch back infinitely, goes against man's scientific logic. Therefore the science of man is inherently flawed, which also means that there is something far greater – call it God or whatever – that is well beyond human comprehension.

Like Dewey said on Malcolm in the Middle, us trying to understand God is like an ant trying to understand a human.

why dont you idiots (Ballz, TylerH, norcalsnoboredr ...) read the comments on this page:http://dvice.com/archives/2009/08/big-bang-animat.php

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Science is not inconsistent with God. Science may be inconsistent with a belief in the literal truth of the Bible, but the Bible is about tribe and myth, not God.

Yes, physical laws state that something cannot come from nothing.

And exactly how long were we living with Newton's laws of gravity before realising it was wrong?

That's why the scientific community stopped with the "laws" and started with the "theories."

Yeah, I think the Big Bang is hogswallop and doesn't adequately explain itself. But I leave room for the idea, just as I do for the counter-argument.

lol i love how the christians talk about GOD as if there 100% right and there are no other gods!!

Hilarious how narrow minded christians are to the fact they cant say my god or a god they have to say 'god'.

Oh well some day they'll learn that real faith is believing that we dont know what created us so dont try and tell people facts, just theorys :D

@14

Look at the comment on that page that was posted at 8:50PM. Hilarious.

Cool, i love the animations and graphics. Great eye candy!

@16, 17, and 18

you = sense

Chuck Norris make the big bang with a banana.

http://ubergosh.mybrute.com

@JSDavidson - YOU ARE FIRSTARDED YOU FỦCK

Anything you say after cliche'ing being an ultimate pathetic twat has no relevance to anything with substance or discussed on teh interwebz. Die slowly and take your nonsense logic with you, you never ever were after trying

I have to laugh at things like this... first there was nothing... then it exploded and formed this incredibly complex, delicately balanced universe which life just suddenly started happening in. People have every right to believe this, but when they act like they have the scientific high ground I have to laugh.

To the unread christian and non-christian, neither one has any more proof than the other. But once you get into the complexity of what has become... an intelligent designer makes much more sense than a haphazard box of rocks being shook up into incredibly intricate systems.

@JSDavidson- the oscillating model has more problems than any of the others. and don't be as presumptuous as the christians you knock... there are lots of gods in the bible... but only one true God. are you honestly sure enough that he's not who the bible claims to bet your soul on it... make sure you do your homework.

@naas- what on earth was that. calm down guy. its the interweb and a rather comical blog for taking things so seriously.

she is telling nonsense... and doesnt now a clue about physics....
i am studying physics, i know i'm not THAT smart, but i know some basics.. even thats enough.
just let her play

@joe you must not spend a lot of time here, at least not during the daytime hours. Firstards like dipshit davidson here litter the comments on a daily basis worse than america does the planet. With every attempt towards evolution as an intelligence and as a people, I tend to lash out at one persons way of showing the rest of the planet how unimaginative, uncreative and unpurposeful they can be when they see a 0 next to the comments of a new post and feel the need to be 'first' It's lame, it's old & it defines one's lack of being

@naas- 1. i don't believe in evolution, its cut-throat, cold, and distractive. It makes sense you would site your hope in it and then rip people up in the next sentence.

2. (and this is a question for you to ask yourself because i barely care enough to pose it) why do you care? If someone gets a jolly out of say "first" what effect on your life does it have? Why does it make you so angry and hateful to post such vulgar filth? what a terrible way to spend your life man. Lighten up... there's a great big world out there with a lot of joy in it... and a lot of people who need some love. there are better ways to spend your efforts. You need Jesus.

Feel free to reply, but chances are i wont click on this page again. your right... i don't spend much time here in the comments. I usually look at the main page for some laughs to brighten up my day. Thanks GW. I love you and so does Jesus. I'm going to put you on my prayer list for a week naas. God bless.

@18 "lol i love how the christians talk about GOD as if there 100% right and there are no other gods!! "

Exactly the same way evolution is forced on us. The difference is, one religion is forced in school and the other is banned from it.

This post is a fact about the way it is, nothing more. It's funny how one side wants equality by removing it all from the school, but the other side needs the opposing religion completely obliterated to stand on it's own.

@27 joe
we care because it's OUR playground and we don't just pop in, comment and run away (even if some of us change our name on an hourly basis). For some of us this site is our only link to sanity. The intelligence, creativity, humor and repartee are usually at a level not found in too many other places on the net. When fücktards post a "first" (see @8), it's like shitting in our sandbox.

@28- You couldn't be more right.

history channel's : "the universe" is way better than this and explains much more with loads of eyecandy

Do you guys really think that what is said in this video could be even the slightest bit true? I'm not trying to offend anybody, because I believe that everyone has the right to their own opinion; I am just stating my point of view. I think that ideas like this are completely ridiculous(again, just my opinion). I strongly disagree with anything other than Christianity; you can be closed minded and call me an idiot or whatever, but this is why I don't believe in anything other than Christianity.
There are so many things that are just completely(physically) perfect about the planet Earth; our planet is covered with a life-saving ozone layer and armored with an extremely powerful magnetic field that actually saves the planet from destruction by the sun's awesome power. The planet Earth has just enough oxygen and hydrogen and water and land to sustain life. But, one might refute that with this argument: "After the Big Bang, billions upon billions of planets.... Chances are that one planet would meet the exact requirements to sustain life." This is a good counterargument; after all, if one million monkeys sat at computers, one of them would reproduce an exact copy of Shakespeare's writings. But this is what really got me:
I agree that if there happened to be a "Big Bang" or whatever theory you go with, that at least one planet would be able to sustain life. But, I don't think that life would be very complex; just some microorganisms and bacteria. So really think about how amazingly complex and perfect the human body is. Your eyes are two balls in your head that recieve electromagnetic radiation and send it to your brain to be processed. The product? Sight! We even have two eyes for depth perception. Do you really think that any given amount of time for evolution could have made this possible? Your ears pick up tiny vibrations and send them to your brain to be processed and we have hearing! Could you believe that through evolution, somebody stepping on a stick behind you can create tiny vibrations in the air for you to hear and react to that? The stomach takes food and suck the nutrients out of it. Your heart is a never stopping(as long as you're alive) muscle that pumps blood and nutrients to your body. Your muscles take this energy and can make you move. Your skin(I find this very amazing) can regenerate if it is cut open. And most importantly: your brain. If not the most complex thing in this universe, it is very close. Just think for a second everything that a brain does. It (with lack of a better word) "feels" the five senses. It controls our emotions(also very interesting; do you think that an organism that is a product of the Big Bang could be advanced as to feel emotions?) It reacts to situations. It can conceptualize and theorize, etc. The list just goes on. The thing that makes me believe in God is the human body(and even animals; they are also extremely complex). But the theory that all of this came from something else(Big Bang or whatever) is just something that I don't get. And don't think that I am just some stingy Christian that never gave these ideas a chance. Lately I have been pondering all of this with a very open mind and came to one conclusion: that God exists and is very real. "BUT," you say, "Why do you not consider other religions?" "BUT," I say," I did consider other religions! After all, there are 19 major religions in this world!" After pondering this, I came to one conclusion: the god that made this perfect and awesome universe(especially planet Earth and its inhabitants) must be perfect! Many religions show their god(s) with humanly characteristics(lying, stealing, lusting, and even messing with people when they want to). I think that the god that created us would be above that; the God of Catholic and Christian beliefs. Also, there is strong evidence that Jesus Christ existed and was who he said he was. If you don't believe me, read a book called "The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel. It isn't long; it only took me a day to read it. Strobel was a prestigious investigative reporter and a very hardcore atheist. His book was his effort to completely disprove the idea of Christianity. By the end of his two-year journey, he became a Christian. His book shows the undeniable evidence that Jesus Christ was who he said he was: the Son of God. If you are curious, please approach the book with an open mind. The book answers many common questions like "Why is the Bible contradictory?" So if things like that are keeping you from religion, I encourage you to check this book out.
I hope I have convinced you or at least planted a seed in your mind. If you have any questions or just want to send me hate mail, my email address is jojoa92@gmail.com and I will try to respond as soon as possible.

WOW I am ridiculously high right now and that wall of text nearly threw me out of my chair in fear.

That will be all.

@3

The cyclical model of the universe just doesn't have the science to back it up. For example, http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/12/cyclic-cosmology-motivation-still.html Written by an atheist by the way as far as I can tell.

@18

Just... be quiet.

I thought big bang was about 4 geek guys and a hot girl doing geeky and girly stuff for comical purposes

@32 I did read with an open mind about half of your comment, but with closed eyes the rest (painfully long for a comment). I don't mean to invalidate your points since I'm also a believer, but I don't want to be a fool who doesn't see other's points of view. So to play devil's advocate here, I want to ask about other kinds of energy our bodies are not build to perceive, like x-rays, radio waves, or micro waves. It would be nice if our bodies got wifi so we could communicate without the need of an external device. And about organisms being complex on earth, well, that's from a human's point of view. I'm sure for a bacteria, a plant is a complex organism. So if there weren't humans, a bacteria would think the planet's organisms are complex.

First time posting.....the Electric Universe model is where it is at I must say. Gravity is an extremely weak force in comparasion to electricity, basic college physics taught me this. Plasma is estimated to make up nearly 99percent of the matter in the universe but we never here about it in main stream media....all this fancy cg of little planets flying out of nothingness and no attempt at an explanation..feeling disappointed with this vid. Check out electric galaxies on the e universe website or wathc their sweet educational video....very exciting ideas!

Scientifically speaking, the universe as we know it shouldnt exist. It is impossible that the universe exists and yet it does. Also Time doesnt exist and it has never "existed" It is a term that we use for measuring the decomposition of matter and things which is recycled into new things. "Time" is a man made concept used to make the insignificant spec called "Mankind" seem more important in a vast infinite universe.

didnt god create something from nothing too???

I'm not exactly a believer in God but I always find it hilarious that when I watch or read something scientific I often come away thinking that they just gave a great argument as to why there is, or might be, a God. Even thought they themselves would scoff at the idea and likely call me an idiot.

IMO scientists that are atheists are no different than theists that don't believe in science. They're both complete ignorant nutjobs.

This kind of stuff makes me want to lean towards calling bullshit.
I'm not religious.. but how can I take a scientists word over a holy man's word If I don't come to my conclusions first hand.

Could be a big scientific community conspiracy.

This makes me come back to a question that terrified me as a 5 year old. What is nothing, how can there be nothing. I can see everything being in some sort of compression BUT NOTHING? People used to think life spontaneously generated from the ground because they didn't see where it came from and now we regard them as f***ing morons.. so let's just save ourselves some time, label these scientists as twats and start looking for an answer.. I know i sound like a douche looking for a god or something.. but really, nothing.

She ruined the big bang for me.

@32
Nobody reads that crap. Go sit in the corner and love your god quietly, to yourself. Stop moving your lips.

"she is telling nonsense... and doesnt now a clue about physics....
i am studying physics, i know i'm not THAT smart, but i know some basics.. even thats enough.
just let her play"

Then you haven't been around. She said nothing that I haven't heard/read/seen from various other sources at various other times...

If anything (and maybe there wasn't time), I'm surprised she didn't get into speculations that four-dimensional 'sheets' occasionally colliding that provide the energy of the (and other?) Big Bangs. (See 'The Elegant Universe' and other sources)

And guys, even if this is wrong, it doesn't automatically make your pet theory right or complete. Even invoking a deity doesn't tell us how or why He/She/It/They did this, something the devout won't ask, but science must)

"But, I don't think that life would be very complex; just some microorganisms and bacteria"

With just one known example of life in the Universe *so far,* your assumption that life wouldn't normally get more complex, doesn't mean much. Determining the origin of the Universe could take quote some time, but several other examples of live may be within just a few hundred million miles.

The full story isn't unknowable, just currently unknown. This video should be considered the starting point for those who want to know more, not the last word...

Ok! Who'd like a big banger in the mouth?

gods, big banging in the back of the bus to eerie indiana somewhere in the twilight zone.

everything is equally likely and unlikely, what is the point in arguing?

@41
I don't understand Sara Palin and she scares the crap out of me but unfortunately she is all too real.
The universe doesn't care if you understand or believe it, it just is.
Or isn't.
Or is it?

at 32:

counterpoint: you're dumb.

Hey Eskimobob, your not big "HalibutBob" from Anchorage, are you?

@47 LOL
Why didn't I think of that?
Got right down to it.

@ cup o jesus

my name is big boner the butthead.. i'm the one you picked to respond to?
obviously i don't care either. i don't care if the universe acknowledges me, i'm just bummed i'm not rich and can't f**k sexy gold digging cocktail waitresses on a whim like george clooney. i'm just saying i'm paranoid about believing how the universe supposedly made it's entrance.
and nothing?

i was actually looking forward to watching this video but as soon as she said "in the beginning there was nothing...." i had to stop myself from laughing. Nothing comes from nothing. There had to be SOMETHING in the beginning even if they are particles so small that we will never ever find it or identify it. for her to say that there was nothing is a.) arrogant and b.) highly illogical. i'm not even a proponent of creationism but if anything, this chick is making an argument for the stupidity of her own theory.

" There had to be SOMETHING in the beginning "
WHY? Why did there "had" to be something in the beginning? Because you can't conceive of there being nothing first? Just state what you really mean. "I can't imagine how there could be nothing first"
We are talking about the beginning of THE UNIVERSE. Perhaps that is a thing big enough to defy rational understanding?
I'm not saying that I believe there was nothing, I'm saying whatever happened there is a good chance it will take a little brain stretching to grasp it.

cup, i know what you are saying.. i mean i'm not really arguing. yeah sure it's maybe as likely as anything else. in an instance things could cease to be as quickly as they began.. maybe things have ceased maybe things ceased to be as quickly as they began and we can never completely discover the explanation because we are living residuals and the answers are blinking out like the light of a dead star light years away. just ghosts.. clues evaporating. we could be living as beings in a residual twilight.
i just like to expect a little more from scientists. the could come out and say yeah we are actually in a state of non existence, soon after the big bang another phenomenon occured and everything was gone.

What if the Big BANG happened again, will we all turn to giants? and have little universes in our bodies? I even wonder if there are "microscopic" people out there..or on my skin....is it possible that we have universes in our own body? ok, im dumb at astronology

there was a big bang in my pants. something similar to that video

@Joe: Never return to Geekologie...

You can't come here and try to tell us that 'God' is more of a likely & proven theory than the big bang...

What proof is there that any sort of resemblance to your christian God existed ?
None ? Yeah, I thought so...

There is proof that anti matter + matter (AKA NOTHING !) exists. Thus making it entirely plausible that the universe expanded from these two things.

The question of how the universe began is probably never going to be answered. But I can tell you right now that if you can seriously think that there's a big old dude floating around called 'God' in some heaven like place, and you think that he created the universe with magical powers. Then you're a fùcking idiot.

Obviously there was something (very hot) that caused the antimatter & matter to rapidly expand (matter more than antimatter) thus creating tiny particles (atoms) that then created elements and so on...

We will most likely never know what it was that did it. But if you want to believe in a 'God' then don't portray it as some sort of old man who crafted the universe. It's just illogical and childish.

Well this video and the big bang theory is pretty far out there, but is it really as far out there as a magic man making us all out of his magic hands? And that the universe is only 6k years old....and all the rest of the fairy tale that is faith? I mean its all pretty silly.

Trust in man thats what i say, as to trust in god is to trust in nothing.

@32 is your God not the same one as the Jewish God, y'know, the one who wasn't above mass murder and such? I am open minded and respect all you are saying, I just don't think I can personally believe in a God who goes from being harsh and unforgiving to kind and gentle upon the whim of a few tribe folk a few thousand years ago when they decided he was too evil sounding. Read "Chariot of the Gods" by Eric Von Danichen.

Alright...alright, I'm here. Sheesh; you guys are about to eat each other.

Firstly, let me state that the "Big Bang" theory that we know and love was actually articulated mathematically by a priest, Georges Lemaître. So this whole "religion trumps science" or visa versa mantra that people are ballyhooing about is complete rubbish.
Secondly, I find it interesting when things like this come up. Very rarely do you see people partake in both the scientific and theological view; you are, apparently, either one or the other. Not only is that dogmatic and full of platitude rhetoric, but it also stifles the mind. Now if one is an Atheist, please, by all means, be the best Atheist you can be; but know that if you (as an Atheist) try to shut down the discussion by stating that any theological discussion is pure humbuggery...well, you're just as bad as the religious zealots who try to shut down your thought process.
Thirdly, science and religion go fine together as long as one is privy to thought. If one follows either one blindly, then nothing is learned and nothing is accomplished. Science is constantly changing and evolving, likewise with religion. Nothing is constant so to claim that one has superiority over the other is, again, just pure zealot behaviour.

So calm down and relax; and as I have spoken, so it shall be.

The theme song to the television show 'the big bang theory' kept playing in my head while watching this.

FIRST

what?? bad language filter? go die

also, the antiflood filter is ok though

Good christ, there's too many damn rants here to read the past 20 something comments & catch up with all that.

THIS BOARD IS FOR COMMENTS, NOT STORIES. I would love to take the time to read ALL THAT but I don't care to listen to WHAT YOU THINK happened when it all started. Go start your own damn blogs people!

@27joe - right there you said, I don't believe in evolution. I'm not talking about creation Jesus' tampon I'm talking about bettering ourselves as a people in the PRESENT. Evolving now - not then. You must be a muslim because they don't believe in evolving either, they'd rather blow everyone back to living in caves with nothing & beating the weak around them down in the name of divinity.

You better pray longer than a week for me son, that won't cut it. I'm guaranteed a seat in hell so I'm only preppin to bring a lot of shit down there with me when it's time to go. Please DONT come back to geekologie, you probably wouldn't survive here because you need a little more than prayer. Thank you @29 - Joe is clearly a drifting preacher following the dust particles of the universe with hopes of convincing science all 'that' was a miracle

I think i'm happy to accept the fact that I just don't know exactly what created the universe. And i just want to ask all the Christians that bash evolution... Isn't it possible that evolution is a result of "Gods" laws? Couldn't "he" have planned for organisms to get better over time, as they obviously are? Paraphrasing what # 59 says... why does it have to be one way or the other? If something did create all of this then our known science is an interpretation of their laws, just as religion is. Realize how nearly every post is an argument back and forth rather than a cooperation towards a better understanding, please.

I liked the video!
especially at 1:08.
Mind blowing!

its ok. all the mysteries of the world are inside you. you will understand eventually.

@64: Recent theology has considered that very possibility; that God had created Earth and planned out evolution... Some even think that maybe He even created the Big Bang; planning it so perfectly that the Earth turned out the way it is today. So some Christian thoughts actually DO have evolution and God working together.

@67
The Bible says how God created the earth... and it dosnt say he used evolution.

@42, 47... Your respect for other people's beliefs demonstrate your obviously superior maturity. I am very sorry for thinking for myself.

@68: Well it depends on if you look at the Bible as very literal or not... If He created the Big Bang, then in a way, he created Earth. I'm not saying that I firmly believe it, I am just putting that out there.

yup, that's how it happened, nothing existed and all of the sudden in a fraction of a second, all matter in the universe just appeared.

sheesh, and they call religious people dumb?

@68
Believing in a literal interpretation of the Bible is tantamount to only believing in the first scientists interpretation of the world.

Hey everyone want to see a magic trick?

At the count of 3 all these long ass comments arguing over a bunch of bullshit in the first place are going to suddenly get cut in half.

1......2......3

@Daisy I liked the Fifth Element reference.

Any time you reference religion folks come in droves who feel compelled to convince others of their beliefs. You never see longer comments then when god is involved.

I have strong opinions on religion, spirituality, cosmology and Gekologie.

However, I don't feel any need to convince anyone here of their accuracy. I just bop the infidels. BLASPHEMERS!

@58 and @some others
its easy to go on a rant about how dumb christians are when you haven't read the Bible or any of the scholarship around it. Its the foundation of western culture and its the foundation of modern scientific theory... read Thomas Aquinas, Newton, DeCart, Lock, etc. im all for a good debate. Bring something to it.

@58 about mass murder and God. If you just read the old T with any attention to detail. you would know that all the tribes that God commanded wiped out you would know that these were tribes of Nephilim. Whether you believe in the nephilim or not doesn't matter... that is the biblical account and it is consistent with a God that loves humanity and died on it's behalf. If your not familiar with the Nephilim ref Genisis chapter 6 and in Exodus the people were afraid to enter the promised land because "there were giants in the land" the hebrew is nephilim. Goliath was also a nephiilim. God never commanded the genocide of humans. They were a primary reason for the flood of noah and for the command for various wars. He is a patient, loving, just God,,, don't forget that he is just and read things of context of where a person stands in the bible and how God deals with them.

Whether you believe the stories or not... the old and new testament are consistent.

Religion is content with faith. Science keeps moving forward in an attempt to put it all in perspective and understand.

Who knows what created everything. Religion has evolved as the scientific community has. If religion was willing to put the effort in instead of give (I'm sorry if this offends anyone) lazy answers. I might be more inclind to believe. I'm not saying I believe in the Big Bang Theory either, but at least it's an effort to understand. It's just hard to rely on something that hasn't taken steps to find an answer It's like going to see two doctors, who have the same degree, but one is on the cutting edge of technology and knowledge, and the other is perfectly happy with the medical understanding she/he has already. Both have a method of opperation, but one strives for precision in the answer, constantly changing until it's 100% proven.

Science will always have a never ending line of theories, and Religion has it's blind faith, that's the way the sides are split. It's such a shame that this has come between the two. Why can't both sides come together, agree to disagree and maybe figure this all out. Arguing about who's right and wrong is just slowing down the process of the greater picture. It's about answers and that's all I really want...

Geekologie Guide To Civil Discourse:
1.Kramhat - August 21, 2009 7:17 PM

Cool video, cleared up a few things for me.

2.Robbie-dark - August 21, 2009 7:19 PM

INTERESTING! I am a Gwarian and we believe that the universe was created 2 years ago by the peanutbutter jelly time banana guy. I enjoyed the video though, I wanted to learn the scientific view.

3.HorseFathers - August 21, 2009 7:21 PM

@2 Cool, thanks for sharing that. So how do the Banana’s maracas come into play? Is it a yin/yang thing?

4.Daisy - August 21, 2009 7:39 PM

FAKE!!!

This is a complete photoshop job. You can tell its a fake because the shadow's are all wrong.

This is exactly like that scene in the movie Never BAck Down where Max thought it would be cool if everyone was respectful to each other and polite, and treated everyone like they were a relative. Then the cops nailed him to a piece of wood.

See? Like that.

@tfediuk

there are some great scientific christian minds that are far from "lazy" out there. I don't take offense by your statement. It seems like the lazy ones are the ones who get the most attention in our culture and it drives me crazy. It seems like the majority of christians out there don't know what they are talking about and as a result people develop perceptions of Christianity like you've expressed.

I don't blame you. But... you should check out khouse.org and some of their affiliates. There is a TON of really good stuff to read on science, politics, and religion. My other big gripe with american christianity today is poor design. Try to see past the poor presentation. That just confounds the problem more, but there is a lot of good information on there.

God bless!

@69
just because you typed a bunch of rehashed thoughts and it went on forever, doesnt mean any of it was original just miscontrued. doesn't mean you are free thinking, just able to freely annoyed with your beliefs in other peoples bukkake.

any opinions on extremely unlikely coincidences?
example I just had a dream like 20 minutes ago which incorporated the charles manson qoute, "leave something witchy for them" (etc because i watched a bio on him recently) with the movie something wicked this way comes (interpretting it into my dream to the extent that i thought the name in the dream).

I signed on and began looking at the comments, i was scrolling through here and saw smoking girls comment, i became curious of her name and the fact it was linked to her myspace and clicked.. and there in her myspace headline "something witchy this way comes"

@ tfediuk
You are essentially guilty of the same laziness you accuse religious people of. I would say the vast majority of religious people (crazy middle america and muslim extremists excluded) are continuously moving forward with their beliefs and always trying to understand and interpret what exactly the teachings mean, just like science. It is the god haters of the scientific community that harp on the extremes bringing them to the forefront, ignoring the most important/logical parts.

Stuff is going on that we don't understand. Bangs get bigger, things move, things burst into flames, frogs fall.

If we (I am including me) can relax and stop trying to make sense of it all, it might make more sense. Folks tend to develop an idea about the way things work then look for the evidence. Just observe what is actually happening. Don't even formulate a theory to be able to predict events and be safe. Just observe and respond. What would happen?

@80
follow the thread, see where it leads.

We must be meant for each other, @ #80.

And again, people, this discussion is not an "us vs. them" exercise; and the more you bark at each other, the more it goes to show that science is nothing more than a "new" religion.

Knock it off. Don't make me come back here.

@83

yeah.. it's really weird, and the honest truth. after geekologie your page via link was the second thing i visited online and there were two direct references to a dream i was not 15 minutes awake from. two direct references mingled together no less. and i never click peoples links i just scrolled over it and noticed it was a myspace.. so i could resist my voyeuristic tendencies. it's like the world is dropping me hints that i'm god or in the matrix or something.

can i ask why you chose that headline?

Because, #84, I'm a witch.

@75
I stand corrected :-)

@75
i didn't say anyone was dumb though. I have read the bible (though not through choice, possibly hence my reason for not believing it) but it was a long time ago and i've read lots since then lol

I think she's down for some of my big bang.

@88 you're comment was the best by far

but why?

@11 -- "Science" states no such thing about matter however there is a law that I believe that you mangled regarding the Conservation of Energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy) -- that being the case your percept it totally incorrect and invalidated. Big-Bang theories tend to make not attempt to claim there was "nothing" before the bang they tend to propose that the source of the bang was a singularity -- just HOW said singularity got there and WHY it "exploded" are only hypothesized. I must say that pretty much everything in the video was correct as far as Big Bang theory in general goes. The concept of "nothing" existing prior to the bang seems to be taken a bit too literally by many here -- the idea is that things as we know and understand them did not exist prior and we really have no way to describe what WAS there; save that it was a singularity (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity).

As an added note, current String Theory predicts new universe creation -- multiverses and/or parallel universes through something called "D-branes". See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

Yeah, the subject of cosmology -- the origin of our universe -- is maybe a bit too deep to do in a 3 minute video. However no matter how much "proof" one can provide via science it will never be enough to convince the All-Powerful-Man-in-the-Sky believers. Just look at something as well proven as evolution -- it's about as proven as it gets but these folks still make Darwin roll over in his grave.

great. so even here on geekologie we cannot enjoy a little sciencey video without all this theological crap. thank you, internet christians, for being made of total proselytizing obnoxiousness. that said...i hear jesus rode dinosaurs, which is AWESOME.

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We are doomed if this is the accepted theory. I had no idea people were so stupid.

@87 i know you didn't. I really appreciated you comment. I thought it was honest and respectful. I just wanted to encourage you to take a fresh look at some things with some direction from some very scientific minds that do believe the Bible very literally with very sound logical reasons. You might not agree with them but you may find some of it interesting and who knows,,, you might agree with some of it.

I try to read as much as i can on both sides of debates i find important. This is one of those issues for me. I like to encourage others to do the same. :)
khouse.org great place to start. If you are ambitious enough, hunt me down and send me an email, i have some great material i can share with you

I swore to myself I wouldn't comment further but...

@ 95 and everyone like them: What is the evidence for the Big Bang?

I list a couple of references -- I don't know why though. I know you "Got Fearing" aka closed-minded folks won't bother to read them.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html#evidence
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#BBevidence

My problem with these arguments is that you get the religious people saying "something must have caused the big bang - you can't get something out of nothing - there's your proof in 'His' existence."
The reason this irritates me is that saying god did this or that dosn't provoke any pursuit of understanding. It's basically people saying "Oh no-one knows the answer - it must have been god - let's drop the subject."
Years later when someone actually starts asking questions and the answers all end up having answers provided by science, religion relents, the rules are rewritten and they say "Oh yea but you can't explain this other thing over here yet, so that was god."
The origin of the universe is about as mysterious as it get's so I'm sure we won't be getting any definate answers in the near future. If somehow it was the result of an intelligent or deliberate action then i think it's fair to say there's no point in worshipping whatever being was behind it, let alone trying to send them telepathic messages asking them to let us win the lottery, give us bigger boobs or assuming they have a nice padded cushion set at their table just for us when we die as long as we don't touch our wee wee's for the happy feeling.

P.S YOU ALL CARE WHAT I THINK AND IF YOU DISAGREE GOD WILL REACH DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS AND BUST YOUR CHOPS. THAT'S SCIENCE.

Just to clarify, this video wasn't made by Columbia. It was an independent effort.
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the big bang never happened and god isnt real. we have absolutely no way of being able to tell how time spaceor the universe started so we just make up unexplainable explosions and magic people with wings to help ourselves sleep at night. we can theorize what we imagine might have happened but we need to stop insisting that our fantasies are facts. nobody knows how the universe came into being, and nobody ever will. when u die, you die. there is no heaven, and there is no ghost of stephan hawking. when youz ded youz ded nigga!

Once again a great source of information (in layman's terms) on this topic for those willing to understand what scientists ACTUALLY consider Big Bang theory.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/big-bang-theory4.htm

You may also want to note that things can only be theorized back till about 1 x 10-43 seconds -- In other words, take the number 1.0 and move the decimal place to the left 43 times -- after the initial bang event.

Looking earlier than this is extremely tough because it was at this time that the rule which we understand all matter and energy to follow crystalized. This may seem bizarre but there are currently points in the universe which we can observe that have similar attributes to this indescribable proto-universe; they're called "Black Holes" and are at least mathematically understood and were predicted before they were actually observed.

and out come the bible thumpers..

@32- we have basic senses for survival. not because god was feeling gracious one day..any organism has these survival skills to live and reproduce. its what their bodies are designed for.

religion derives from man who then passes it on to the next person,
which is probably why lil baby jesus is white with blue eyes, when he clearly lived somewhere around the middle east. but just saying..

i read your comment with an open mind, but the concept of including god in all this seems a bit ridiculous. science does not have all the answers, but when science fails, people just tend to turn to 'god'.

She is pretty much saying that she has NO FREAKING CLUE!!! SO SHE WILL MAKE UP SHIT :)

im really staggered by the ignorance on both sides of this ongoing debate in here. There are lots of good scientific reasons to believe both the big bang theory and the biblical account of creation.

I encourage both sides to read all the can about both before coming to any conclusions.

Christians- stating the big bang is impossible so God must have done it doesn't cut it. There is plenty of science, logic, and reason in the bible. learn it. use it. this might help www.khouse.org

Non-Christians- Most of your culture and science has a long history of brilliant scientific minds that believed strongly in the bible... see newton, lock, washington, even Galileo despite church controversy had a strong faith in the God of the bible... don't be so quick to call us idiots and move on. Your whole worldview is founded on the ideas of men who believed in the Bible... and there are still many brilliant men and women today that do and are making incredible discoveries because of the guidance of the bible.

@81. seearees

Swing and a miss... Here's the thing about my post: I was trying to get the point across that both sides should come together and put their beliefs aside. People shouldn't be seperated from a belief, belief should be seperated from people. It's only then that we will find what we seek.

I didn't want to voice my opinion about religion, but since you have, here's my two cents: Dude, you can philosophize the "teaching" as much as you like, but there's still no fact at any angle. It's like a hamster running on a wheel, sure the hamster can run it in different stride, but he's still not getting anywhere. Religion and The Bible are nothing more than man made propaganda.

There's no doubt in my mind that "Gods commandments" are good things to live by, ie. Not kill, steal, lie, etc, etc. But, it's the "word" of God and his punishment that will keep the ignorant society with the inability to put any conscious, cognitive thought forth, in check to make sure they abide. I'm not saying everyone was incapable of this sort of reasoning though, those people are the ones that were burnt at the stake for not complying.

In most places they don't even make you swear on the bible now because people are starting to realize it's pointless to swear on a stack of potential rubbish. Really, who's going to swear to be truthful when there's a vengeful God, and who's going swear to tell the truth when there's no fear of an all knowing, omnipresent force that can strike you down if you do wrong? The validity and reality of it all is that it's a scare tactic that just isn't going to work on everyone in a modern civilization. Point being, religion was and still is just a tool for control.

I'm not saying it's all bad. :) For the person that doesn't have anything left, God is there for peace and ease of mind. Deep down you know your life will come to an end some day, and that's a very scary thought. For everyone but the kindergartener who hasn't had it already had it drilled into his/her head, It's what you want to believe. People need to believe there is more than their short 50-80+ years on this planet. So, they create this blissful paradise where you can see and do and have everything and more that you had in the past, forever. You trick your mind into to believing this place really is there, it's how our mind works. Come on buddy every culture in the past has had God because it's the easiest answer. It's just a magic trick for the mind, people do actually do want to be fooled. Heck, I would love to believe that good stuff to, but I know all the magicians secrets.

How afraid would you be if your stories didn't exist? Think about that for a minute...I understand that without your God, someone to love you unconditionally and take control of your life when you just can't find your footing, you feel pretty empty and insignificant, right? Helplessness is a terrible ache, but you have to take the bull by the horns. That strenght you draw from is starring back at you in the mirror. All we can do is live and contribute to the happiest, fullest life for ourselves and everyone around us.

I don't hate, I have just found a life of stability without having to stand on a book fairy tales. But, if religion is that solid ground you stand on then, it'd be cruel for someone to come along and slew foot you. That isn't my intention. As long as you are good to everyone and do it without having to force a smile, then that's all that matters, right? You and I aren't so different man, you seek eternal bliss, I seek a lifetime of bliss.

Peace Brah :)

P.S. Correction on my last post I don't want answers, I just think I'd be neat to find out what really happened. :D

@78. Joe

The "lazy" answer from the religious community in which I'm refering to is "if it can't be explained, God has something to do with it". Where as the scientific community is "if it can't be explained, it can't be explained...yet."

Yes, I realize that there were and still are many scientific minds dedicated to the word of the lord. But, please don't try to put spin on your answer of there being any valid truth that "God did it". Yes they were brilliant, but they still give the same lazy answer because it couldn't be explained. I'm just saying out of all the possibilities, this one is the easiest. Any question that is unexplained, can be, with three letters. Not just with christians, every culture before and around us.

The future has inheirited the knowledge and naivety of a traditional and ignorant past. Nothing has been proven. There is no answer. End of story. Don't be lazy.

Jesus fraking Christ; do you people realize just how utterly ridiculous you sound? We have long-winded evangelism from both sides of the isle going on and frankly, it's nauseating.
That's right, I'm calling you out Atheists. Your noisesome jibberings on how your way is the more logical/cognitive/in-keeping-with-nature way...enough already. Your promotion of a "no god" idealic utopia has NOTHING to do with the Big Bang theory, you're just using it as a jumping post for your zealotry. It's banal, insipid, and an afront to my, and everyone else's, intellect.
I expect evangelism from the haughty religious types, but you Atheists supposedly know better since you're not bound by the oppressive chains of religion. And yet, here you are; instead of promoting thought, you're promoting lockstep. Instead of constructive debate, we're subjected to this idiotic pissing contest of who is more capable of rational thought.
And after reading all of this blathering babble, all I can sumsize is that you religious and you Atheists are no different from each other. You both cling like baby monkeys to what you know; nothing more, nothing less. Both sides lack substance and originality. Both sides detest thinking outside the realms of accepted thought. And both sides will stop at nothing to convert the masses.

I never really expected there to be so many religious people on here, but then I remembered that a lot of you are probably American.

C'mon, we all know that Atreyu gave her a name and that's how our universe was created.

WTF, what is with all these words.... I say it time and time again people, please limit your words to three per post....

@smoking girl.... well aren't you high and mighty and above it ALL. A real postmodern priestess. Get off your tolerant, open minded high horse and step into the reality of absolutes. ;-)

"Was created from the POTENTIAL..."

Then who created the potential, I ask.

107. SmokingGirl - August 24, 2009 8:02 AM

So what are you callin the athiests out on that they don't already know? I wasn't in anyway using The Big Bang theory as a "jumping point" to "promote" my "no God idealic utopia". I'm just saying I don't rely on that crutch.

"in-keeping-with-nature way" Ah-ha!! Nature-shmature, I ain't no tree hugger. :p

Haha. Pipe down already, you're telling us stuff we already know. You obviously like a little bit of controversy or else you keep subjecting yourself to it all. So, don't act like you're completely appalled by it. You love it!! :D

I'm glad that you agree that you're nothing but a zealot to your cause...

And it's spelled "Atheist"; if you're going to be one, at least spell it correctly.

Toodles.

I am in no way eager to push my beliefs on anyone. If someone voices their oppinion then I'll share mine as well. If they didn't want to hear my oppinion then they'd let me know, and I would respect that.

Come on... You're going to criticise spelling and grammer now? You knew what I meant. There's always someone out there to take a jab at the lesser detail of error to make themselves feel a little more distinguished than they already aren't. :p

@32
Why is it that the world must be perfectly tailored to suit us? It seems more likely to me that we are suited to the world.

@100
I like the cut of your gibberish. You sort of lost me toward the end, though.

@107
That got me wet. SmokingGirl wins the thread.

@115
That would've had more effect if you'd misspelled "spelling" instead of "grammar."

@117. Uncle Eccoliu

Oh boy lol

You cannot make something from nothing.. dumb bitch.