May 20 2009Human Evolution's 'Missing Link' Found, Surprisngly Not Your Mom. Oooh, Burn!

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Huh? How could a tiny lemur-like creature be a missing link between chimpanzees and humans?

Good Burn GW, haha

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I think franky may be the missing link.

its the marshins dude

Daisy.. is that you??

cause your shadows are all wrong... just sayin'!

Missing link? Anyone check the lost woods?

dinofúcking cool

Do they really expect people to believe that??? It looks like a frikkin lizard

OMG WELL I GUESS THEY DID IT!!! they found my pet iguana!! idiots haha

OLD! They found this in 1983.

i killed it with Goliath's sword

^
You mean goliath's tooth pick...

That's crazy, I thought that the president was the missing link.

I must have this on a shirt.

@10 because you're obviously an evolutionary biologist.

i like how scientist never question themselves.

hey goerge what is that, i beleive thats the missing link bob. looks like a cat to me, dont you think we should run some test or something. nah.

thank you, thank you, and that was my snl sketch of scientist finding the missing link, brought to you by the reall missing link.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2723/20422457.jpg

WOW ! Earie how much it resembles modern man ...'cept maybe the extended and seemingly elongated penis. Present company excluded..OH YEA BABY!

wheres the alternative church theory?

@17

You really are an idiot, aren't you? Did you read anything about this discovery other than what the GW posted? No? How about my comment? No? They found this in 1983. This means they've been testing it for 26 years. Scientists always question themselves. That's why new discoveries take so long to reach the general public. And even then they continue to question themselves. Peer review is the cornerstone of good science.

This isn't the missing link from apes to humans, it's the missing link from other mammals to the primates that eventually became humans...47million years ago. According to the fossil record, these critters didn't really start looking like humans until about 45.5 million years later.

Huh. I guess it DOES look like my mom. Go figure.

THERE ARE NO MONKIES IN MY FAMILY TREE ~ Amen, bless you, go in peace etc etc.

@20 Damn, you beat me to it!

Peer Review is good science??? That is if your peer group believes all the hype that it pumps into itself. Twenty years from now, they (scientists) will look back and smerk that well, thats all that we knew at that time. But, oh, we are ssoooo much smarter than say 50 or 100 years ago. Yeah right.... Gadget wise, but not philosophically...

Choose what you want to believe to fit the paradym and toss the rest.
Hey what's that, a Piltdown Man?
Hey, eat this butter replacement as its must better than real butter.

You've been reading to many government approved textbooks.....

“Two things are infinite:
The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.”
-Einstein-

FAKE!!!!

This is a complete photoshop job. You can tell its a fake because the shadow's are all wrong.

This is exactly like that scene in the movie Never BAck Down where Max hacked into the school computers and changed his grades. He just raised them enough to get out of trouble, but not enough that someone would notice that they were changed.

latenite1, this isn't a philosophical question.

Peer review is what we got. And since scientists are often petty vengeful little nerds looking to spite other petty vengeful little nerds, peer review is incredibly good at finding nitpicky results...

I doubt I'll convince you though...you've already made up your mind.

17 Che-Che is obviously a sadistic catholic priest who believes the world is flat and touches small children on sundays.

Chimp, shows what you know...Sunday is the day Catholick Priests DON'T touch kids.

WOW! It looks so human I can hardly tell the difference!!

P.S.

Daisy........I Love You!!!!!!!

@21 I agree. This is more related to primate evolution than human evolution but still important.

What's that? Me, a bible thumping Christian beleiving in evolution? I'm one in a million! Well actually, a bunch of millions out of a larger number made up of millions.

Unless we dig up a monkey skeleton wearing a wristwatch, there's no way 100% of the population will accept it.

Stop trying to find the "missing link".

In the sense that matters to the naysayers, you'll never find it.

@25 Who ousted Piltdown Man as a fraud? I'm pretty sure it was a scientists and not some average Joe who didn't except evolution.

@17 you are obviously retarded.
@20 ... nice...
@21 yup

And for all of you religious retards out there who still doubt evolution, in the scientific community it is undisputed fact that species evolve. the definition of evolution is a change in allele frequencies. and since we have already proven millions of times over that allele frequencies change, you don't really have an argument. you just wine and say but god... GROW UP!

I like the feet. Damm foot jobs must have been the crazy.......I wonder if they could open beers with those buggers. This must have been the era where the phrase "looking for some tail" came from.

EXPELLED! Watch it!

@36
RELIGULOUS! Watch it!

I am actually an Evolutionary Biologist. For those of you who are unaware-we have already most of the predated Homo sp. Its the reptilian to mammalian-to primate area that needs some filling in. The major pieces are there. We as scientists are filling in all the small spaces. No matter how narrow we make the gaps-people will always fill the gap with doubt. Please don't be ignorant.

--im sure this is going to get "set a fire" but im not afraid to take a stand.

GFS crackin me up, too damn funny hehehe

@ 34 I agree..... everything else has evolved except for people thats bad science....but please don't tell them that the Easter Bunny isn't real it will break thier little hearts.

This could be one of my anchestors! Note:that tail isn't a tail but a penis.

LOL @ 38. "Just so happens...." LMAO

Looks like the "ALIEN" was here before the "PREDATOR"

Come and join the short and easy game mybrute:

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@38 Steve, what about this is showing a link that was missing? It just looks like a lemur. May have been an extinct breed of lemur, but still a lemur.

Evolution is the change from one species to another, not the difference between a wolf and a poodle. That is just natural selection.

My Deity can beat up your Deity.

@44MacMaster-please do more research than that from your "insert religious book title here".--i'm guessing back country baptist

Definition of link-- A unit in a connected series of units--An association; a relationship.

Definition of missing--"not there", absent, not currently placed

Im sure you can put the two together......hopefully

"She" is believed to be an ancient lemur ancestor with anthropoid characteristics. "She" is missing her grooming claw and has an uncharacteristically short face. NOT COMMON IN LEMURS. you could say......human like?? maybe a link could be associated????!!!!???? see above if you are confused!!

Im sure you can put the two together......i hope

and p.s.--the difference between a wolf and a poodle is through artificial selection.....a type of forced evolution.

Ignorance is bliss...

From now on, let's only post FACTS that can be proven and are accepted by the entire scientific community.

1) Carbon Dating is far from accurate.

2) Fossil Record based on the layer of earth the fossil was found in.

3) Geological dating determines the age based on the layers of the earth. They know how old the layers are from the type of fossil(s) found in them.

COOL!

I love you, steve.

idk if its the missing link but has some sh!t that makes u think it is... and anyway what happened to the chupakabra? did they find it yet?? who kares.....

I believe everything about this because science says its true, and blindly listening to people is the epitome of intelligence.

Note the sarcasm.

These people are full of shit and always will be full of shit. No, i'm not Christian.

The Vatican can SUCK IT!

Well, you think that is a story? How about this...Mr Christian himself, answering to a greater father has had a little twist-about on that issue. Are you kidding me? Bush was elected TWICE because of the Christian right. He totally snubbed Al Gore on the global warming, in essence snubbing science itself. Now he has moved the Bible from his desk to his bookshelf next to the Dan Brown books? Quite a backslider:

http://www.socoolaz.com/article/World_News/World_News/Scientific_Missing_Link_Found_Bush_Family_Celebrate_in_Texas/30261

FIRST!!! "First link to humans" that is...HI-OH!!!

No really, didn't one of these things wash up on a Long Island beach or something? ZING!!!

No seriously, that thing is weak. It reality no "link" can be proved - other than once it lived, and now other animals live. All it demonstrates is that at some point in the distant past, some where on the planet, this particular animal appeared (after millions of years in the dirt) to have had some similar features to later life.

One last thing: Why is it a "lemur-like skeleton [with] primate-like characteristics" and not just a primate with a lemur-like skeleton?

FAKE!!! Photoshop job!! Cause Daisy is science embodied! ZA-ZA-ZING!!

@22: It looks like my mother too!! Are you perhaps my missing sister?!

bullsh*t... i don't believe anything that comes out of a television. there is always an aggenda when it comes from a television. if the television is not trying to sell you something, they are either trying to stealth/buzz market you something(twitter) or they are trying to indoctrinate you with a gov. aggenda.(global warming=carbon tax).and in the case of this so-called missing link , this is to make you question your beliefs and or religion,just like their other hoax aliens.

National Geographics "Aggenda" is to educate the world, damn their evil!

yeeaahhh so we had tails like GOKU !!!

I knew it !!!

I dont care about the begiinning of time, God can suck my cock, and if im part dinosaur monkey thats cool too. But is knowing any of that gonna get me a cheesburger at mcdonalds.. nope

God is dead - Nietzsche

Nietzsche is dead - God

(I know I totally ripped that off, but it still makes me cool)

Oh ho ho, that's rich. Even though there are several million fossils in various institutions around the world, this is the closest link to mankind that they can come up with?! I'm splitting my sides laughing at this bullshit—you evolutionists are really desperate not to have anyone to be accountable to, aren't you? If you'd like a good laugh, try engaging an evolutionist in a debate on the role of left-handed versus right-handed amino acids in the structure of living creatures—if they're actually smart enough to know something about the subject, they'll probably go white in the face and refuse to speak about it. Evolution is bullshit, and many scientists know it—it's only mindless sheep who believe it.

@61...wow...how many times does it have to be said that this has never been considered a link between monkeys and humans.

This is a link from ancient primates to more modern primates which gave rise to the apes from which humans came. I mean it's right there in plain English. This LOOKS to be the split in the tree that has modern lemurs on one side, and H.sapiens on the other. This in no way links apes to any of the australopithicenes.

I know many scientists, and a couple of evolutionary ones, and I can assure you, they don't go white in the face about challenging arguments. Scientists wouldn't do that...that's not at all scientific, but you probably don't come into contact with too many scientists living in the basement of your megachurch in TN.

@61 You're just the same as countless other god lickers, THERE IS ALREADY PROOF OF APE INTO MAN, but for some reason you all seemed to have missed that news report. There are numerous skeleton's in museums across the world showing the facial change from sloping forehead, heightened brow into the more modern characteristics we have now. Watch some Richard Dawkins, read up on Charles Darwin and watch Religilous. It may feel hard to accept now, but YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT CREATION!! Go lie down and think about it and get over yourselves!

poop

shit

GOD IS REAL AND SO IS THE EASTER BUNNY!!! MY PARENTS TOLD ME SO!

Lol, the internet. Good stuff.

I bet that thing was super effing cute!

@63 Leonidas didn't say anything about Creation. What's wrong with you?

@51.... "A man rejects God neither because of intellectual demands nor because of the scarcity of evidence. A man rejects God because of a moral resistance that refuses to admit his need for God."

- Ravi Zacharias

"A man rejects science neither because of intellectual demands nor because of the scarcity of evidence. A man rejects science because of a moral resistance that refuses to admit his need for science."

seems to work well both ways.

@ 68 like one of those sugarglider things....

A invisible thingy who created the world in six days from nothing decided to make two people out of sand and a rib....then he decided to throw a wobbler and destroy his creations save one old man, his family, and two of every single creature that walked the face of the Earth, not by his divine power...but by forcing this old man to build a boat...i guess God was too busy being a heartless prick plotting the demise of the people he loves to lend ol' Noah a hand....

The sad thing is, people actually believe in this ancient bullshit fairy tale, fine...whatever...believe in God,Jesus, The Holy Spirit, Santa, The Tooth Fairy, and Loc Ness and allow the rest of us to believe in something that actually make sense.

@32 - Why wouldn't the public believed you were wearing a wristwatch when you dug up a monkey?

@73 - Seems like you think God is a proponent of incest. Keeps trying to keep sex within the family by giving them no choice and all.

Just remember, the bible says adam and eve, not adam and steve.

Just sayin

@69 if you don't believe in evolution you believe in Creationism.... unless I'm missing some other biblical bullshit reason?

You geniuses missed one important point: in spite of the literally millions of fossils available on archive, THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN MAN AND APES. In addition, no scientist has ever demonstrated how life could have arisen from non-living matter—on the contrary, the scientists in whom you place such implicit trust have brought our species (and quite possibly all life on this planet) to the brink of extinction.

@77 Once again, you're wrong. Obviously you've never looked up from your bible to actually go and read a science journal. As I've said, there is an obvious link between man and ape, that link has already been proven many a time - people like you keep using the same argument "there's no proof" bla bla bla, when there actually IS, go look it up. In other news, scientists are extremely close to building living cells from non living matter - adenine, cytosine, guanine and thymine - you know the carbon based elements that make up DNA? Google their research, they've already made a cell, not long before a living organism will be created! I really hope you're just a troll and not actually retarded, hmmmm who shall i believe... modern science or a book that is thousands of years old written in a time when they believed the earth was flat and that raping children was fine!!!!!!!!

I'm well aware that scientists have been able to synthesize organic materials. You're obviously not aware that the gap between non-living matter and the simplest single-celled living creature is many, many times greater than the gap between that same single-celled creature and a human. You claim that scientists are on the verge of creating life from non-living material?! Please back that up with a reference, because you're talking nonsense.

As for the "missing link," there is no proof—otherwise they wouldn't be calling this monkey-lizard "the first link to all humans." Let me cite an example: humans have an extraordinarily large cerebral cortex; most of our intellectual capacity—basically everything that separates us from apes—exists by virtue of our massive cerebral cortices. The next most intelligent creature on the planet (and also supposedly our nearest living ancestor) is the chimpanzee—a chimp's cerebral cortex is one quarter of that of a human. Since evolution is supposedly a painfully slow process of adaptation, taking millions of years, where are all the creatures which account for the massive jump in cerebral cortex size between humans and chimps? As far as the fossil record is concerned, they don't exist.

As for the Bible, it states that the Earth is a "circle," and that it "hangs upon nothing" (these statements were written thousands of years ago, when the greatest scientists of the time were teaching their disciples that the earth is carried on the back of a giant tortoise). The Bible also mentions nothing about raping children—please get your facts straight, you're sounding like just another anti-Bible troll.

Colbert talking about this right now....

Hmmm... something about his great aunt Ida...

@ 79 The Crusades, The Spanish Inquistions, The Salem Witch Trials, and countless other atrocities against mankind. All in the name of your good book.
The earth is carried on the back of a giant tortoise. Who died?

Leonidas--
--OF COURSE :BRAIN PARTS" WOULD BE DIFFERENT...i think that has something to do with a little concept called evolution. Maybe thats "dangerous thinking" outside the walls of your cult.....wait i mean church

none the less your argument is over exaggerated...

--the olfactory lobe is only 30% of the size it would be if it were in the same proportion to the entire brain as in other primates--

they use it more.....maybe to sense better than we can in a harsher environment.....just a thought

you cant pick one anatomical item and use it as the only difference between two common family members. The area of mental processing and brain development is one of the newest systems to evolve in the history of life. It has rapidly evolved over about the last 2 million years to become what it is today. Obviously it has been around longer but the development rapidly increased recently so please dont confuse my words. And then ramble about an error.

You cant apply human evolution ethically to the rest of evolutionary biology when it comes to selective process that deal with how the mind works. That is the point where evolutionary study has stopped because there is no real way science can ethically determine who selects for what. When sexual selection is based on opinion you cant accurately document it with the rest of evolution. At least there hasnt been a method yet but im sure you will be excited to hear about it!!! We are the only organism CURRENTLY on this planet able of doing this in the extent that we do. Mental development cant be followed so your argument is invalid on the basis of EVERYTHING.

After one million years,, our ancestors' brains were more than double in size. Archaeologists can see slight improvements in their stone tools.

500,000 years ago—our ancestors' brains were nearly as big as our brains. Our ancestors started using fire.[8] Fire enabled them to move from Africa to colder Europe and Asia.

50,000 years ago—our ancestors' brains reached modern size. Their stone tools became thinner and sharper. They carved small ornamental figurines from ivory, shell, and stone. They created beautiful cave paintings. They built the first ocean-going boats.[9]

5,000-10,000 years ago—our ancestors developed agriculture. Poor nutrition made farmers' bodies and brains smaller. They invented writing and metal tools. They invented the bow and arrow-a weapon that seems primitive to us.

I leave this long post with several FACTS and not ramblings...
im sure someone thinks they could hold an argument with one of these findings...the world if full of crazies----and bullshitters!!

It is logical that if the human brain overall is nevertheless much larger than would be expected in a primate our size, then some of its other structures must be proportionately far larger

studies conducted in the first few years of the new millennium have called this idea into question. Earlier studies had compared the human brain to those of other primates, but had not included most of the great apes. In these more recent studies, magnetic resonance imaging has been used to measure the relative size of the prefrontal cortex in all species of great apes, including humans. When this new method was applied to this broader range of species, the relative size of the prefrontal cortex was found to be almost the same in humans as in the great apes who are our closest cousins (chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans).

According to the authors of these recent studies, humans’ superior abilities to anticipate and to plan can more correctly be attributed to other specialized regions of the cortex and to denser interconnections between the prefrontal cortex and the rest of the brain. The main reason that the prefrontal cortex is slightly larger relative to the rest of the brain in humans than in most other primates is that humans have a larger volume of white matter in their prefrontal cortex. This white matter is composed of myelin-covered axons that communicate with other parts of the brain, thus providing greater connectivity between the prefrontal cortex and the rest of the brain than in other species.

After reading all of this, i would actually enjoy someone recanting MY statements and not going on a tangent about some other way that thay "think" evolution an be disproven(like that stuff their grandparents tell them). Please dont be so ignorant as to answer my debate with another as im sure will be done.......

let the fun continue

@76 So there's no other truth except evolution? No other options at all?

The amount of faith it takes to fill in the holes in the evolution theory outweighs the faith required for almost every other religion. Evolution is far from true and forced on everyone, much like the Taliban force their religion on their children. In my opinion, both are extremist religions based on faith and the young people learning it have no other options presented to them. Faith is required. Faith that what you are learning is true as well as faith to fill in the gaps. For ALL religion, including the religion of evolution.

If we line up nice items, we can SEE that it is TRUE. We just need the missing link. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mhchipmunk/3378581908/ What more do we need to believe? Maybe a little faith?

Religion:
1 a: the state of a religious b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

So, in what way does your poorly-worded missive disprove anything I've said? Humans have a cerebral cortex which is disproportionately large in relation to the other brain structures (four times larger than that of our so-called nearest neighbor). Even if you disagree with this, there should be hundreds of thousands of tiny steps in the fossil record between us and chimps, and where are they? You evolutionists conveniently modify your theory to include massive evolutionary jumps for man and his ancestors, to account for all the huge gaps in the fossil record (evolution is defined as a very slow process, taking hundreds of millions of years—to believe that a chimp can "rapidly evolve" into a human in a mere 2 million years requires greater credulity than any form of religion—Bible-based or otherwise). And where's your proof of that nonsense you were talking about scientists creating life out of non-living tissues?

In any case, scientists have been warning us for decades that the damage we're doing to this planet is reaching a point of no return (largely as a result of their work, I might add). If that time comes, then God help us all, because the clever scientists won't be able to clean the atmosphere or re-freeze the polar ice, will they?

@82: So the churches of this world are filthy and corrupt, tell me something I don't know. None of those atrocities were instigated or justified by the Bible. People will always misuse any means available to carry out their own agendas—like the president who plunges his country into war based on "imminent danger from weapons of mass destruction."

leonidas----im going to have to go ahead and call you dumb....
does your mother know that you are up past your bed time?

"to believe that a chimp can "rapidly evolve" into a human in a mere 2 million years requires greater credulity than any form of religion"

how is 2 million years of natural selection harder to believe than 6 days from one person that then decided to relax from six days of VERY BELIEVABLE work? So far THAT ARGUMENT OF YOURS IS THE DUMBEST THING ON THIS COMMENT BOARD.(im sure you will take a crack at me)

and thanks for proving steve's argument. Your topic goes from evolution to global warming. Nice recant. It is very impressive. Im sure your eventually gonna start talking about the little green men and so on.....

idiot.....
i mean leonidas ; )

im pretty sure in the 1950's urey and miller built amino acids from inorganic gasses in like a week. The earth had 4.6 billion years to work on it. Maybe the steps arent done because the next few are a bit harder.... Doesnt mean GOD DID IT. Doesnt mean he didnt have a hand in it. It just more data in the mass of correct data to support of evolution.

If one day you tripped and fell "UP" would you suddenly deny the theory of gravity?

Whats that called class???

thats right......DENIAL

@85 The oldest human skull found so far is 160,000 years old, and that's only intact because it was kept in reasonable conditions. Our earliest ancestor came from Africa, so there's good reason to believe that more primitive forms of human are hidden well beneath the surface - we've just not found them yet, doesn't mean the whole theory is wrong. You're one of those types who, even when proof is found, will still deny evolution because you've been so brain washed by religion that you're scared of accepting any other truth.

@84 So by that statement, you agree that baptism is wrong? We shouldn't be forcing Christianity upon children, let them make their own minds up!

That's an interesting argument. The protein-rich liquid used by Urey and Miller in their experiment represented the "primordial soup," correct? The methane-rich gas mixture present in the chamber that they used represented what they assumed to be the composition of the early atmosphere, not so? The powerful electrical discharges they released into this mixture represent powerful lightning bolts in the Earth's early atmosphere, yes? SO WHO OR WHAT IS REPRESENTED BY THE SCIENTISTS WHO SET UP AND DOCUMENTED THIS EXPERIMENT WITH METICULOUS CARE?

As I've already stated, the gap between simple amino acid chains and the simplest single-celled living creature is many, many times greater even than the gap between that same single-celled creature and a human. And don't even get me started on the issue of left-handed versus right-handed amino acids in the construction of proteins in living organisms—the odds of these arranging themselves by chance in the correct order to form tissues which can support life systems is a mathematical impossibility.

Look, when your evolutionary biologists are able to spontaneously produce life in non-living tissue, I may consider my position to be compromised. But it's never going to happen—and in the meantime, you're all wrong. All the observable facts and evidence prove this one point: life cannot arise from non-life. Please prove me wrong on this point—after all, I've lived a life of blind ignorance in my mega-temple, and you're all free-thinking and liberated individuals.

And, by the way, I don't mind your petty insults, but please try to learn better spelling, you evolution punters. At the moment it really feels like I'm arguing with a bunch of high school kids, which makes this whole debate seem even more pointless than what it is.

Gerard butler--i mean Leonidas!

yet you continue to ramble?

im 12 and even I know your dumb

spell check please?

@ 85 Without those compains the chances of you holding the Bible in your hand would be small. So you choose to follow what was forced on your ancestors I simply don't. Convert or die if that is Godly then I will never participate and find it insulting. This is due to the fact that it did not happen in the 1000's, 1100's I can put a date on it 1492. This is the year when some religous nuts sailed the ocean blue and decided to stay. The blankets infected with small pox was a nice little Godly touch. Open your eyes know who you are following and if you like old books try Buddhism it predates your bible. You are probally one of those idiots that walks around saying, "If you don't speak the language then get out of my country." I agree so find out your roots and return to your homeland and take your bible with you. Glad you mentioned that fool Bush another God fearing man follower of the Bible. Did you watch the bible belt light up? Nice job. I am glad you bible thumpers are not in complete control the last time that happened good people got burned at the stake.
(|)ies and blind sheep= bible men

So you're a red Indian? Congratulations. I'm not a Yank, BTW, so your righteous indignation won't work on me. The Bible originates in Mesopotamia, so its proliferation and survival had nothing to do with the crusades (in England and other so-called "Christian" nations, people were tortured to death for simply owning a Bible well into the 15th century—so your argument of the Bible being "forced on" my ancestors falls flat on its face). The actions of church missionaries in the Americas were quite appalling, but if you know your history, then you will also know that most of them were actually there to push a political agenda underneath the cloak of religion. Once again, the Bible is not at fault—it outspokenly condemns the actions of all the aforementioned people.

You keep flaming me for being a religious nut, but I haven't based any of my arguments on any religion. You're the one who's been brainwashed into criticizing the Bible at every opportunity; if you actually knew anything about the subject, you would know that none of the things you've mentioned can be justified by means of the Bible. If America was a Buddhist nation, George Bush would have gone to war in the name of Buddha—it's simple politics (the older Bible books predate Buddhism by about 2000 years, BTW).

Its interesting how these religous types never pay any attention to the big bang theory, the leading explanation for how the universe began, or star system formation, in which stars and planets accrette slowly from vast disks of gas and dust, which is the leading explanation for how our planet originally formed. Both those theories directly contradict the bible but no one blinks an eye at them. But mention evolution and they get very very upset. Is it the thought of being related to apes that upsets them so? Or does it stem from a deepseated hatred of the natural world that to me lies at the heart of nearly all mainstream religons?

No sir, I am an Native American not to be confused with the people that have only been here by way of England or Spain. So you claim direct anscestry to the originators of the bible by way of geography or linage? Congratulations.
The proliferation of the bible had alot to do with the crusades. Isn't that what they were about and still about spreading the word?The part that bothers me about your statement is "underneath the cloak of religion" Do you see how wrong and disconcerting this is? When is the cloak removed on these people, they have operated with a bible in hand for a thousand years. What is the good as a group has been done? Does it out weigh the bad? These questions have meaning and purpose. Why have an alignment with such a group? If one book can cause man to cloak himself or to justify his actions as to inflict so much destruction on another man.You say it is not the book ,but it has in fact allowed evil men to hide behind it for a long time. Realize I am not attacking you or your beliefs as an idividual. These bible people do seem to have a mob mentality to them. I just hope you can explain how it does any good and what good has been done. You are a member of a large group of good men that has done what? God fearing does has different meaning to some.You may call it brainwashing. I have not been taught the same respect for life as you. I was not taught to follow like you and as a member of the group you represent that group in all your actions. One man did not carry out this reign of terror for so long but a group of men. Perhaps if you are not on the receiving end of bible justification it may be different. I still do not see all the good that has come or may come from this group.

Hinduism: Since Sanskrit is the oldest written language, as far as religion being written down, and as far as organized religion is concerned, it would be Hinduism. It is said that when Rama appeared, according to our calendar, was a million or so years ago (not sure of the exact date, but it's a long time!) And Krishna, God himself according to the Vedic scriptures, appeared here 5,000 years ago. Buddha, about 500 B.C., Jesus, about 2,000 years ago. If you go through the different religious book and study this question deeply, you will find out that Hinduism is the oldest religion of the world. There are no dates and facts, but its history is about more than 50,000 thousands years ago.

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions. Abraham dates back to 1800 BC.

Leonidas, don't even bother with them. They believe that science has evidence of what happened "4 billion years ago". They are so clever, they can see into the non existant past. Leave them to their religion... if it's FORCED on every North American, it must be true.

We all have faith in Christ or Evolution. We all have the right to choose.

@ 95 You seem to have an opinion maybe you can answer my post 94 .......or tuck and run. How was that bible placed in your anscestors hand? Do you even know? You don't even have to comment but you may want to figure that one out. Do you have a belief in history? I had nothing to do with it somebody else wrote it down. Don't think it was forced, nothing to fear? We all have some of the same beliefs . When I meet my anscestors I can answer 100% for my reasons about my faith. For a person with such strong convictions for written words this should be an easy task.

@89The next argument we will look at is a favorite of the creationists (in all their species: "young earth", "old earth" and "intelligent design" creationists) because it makes a pretence of being a scientific argument for the existence of God. There are many variations to this arguments, but they all boil down to showing the improbability of life (or anything else) as we know it. An example of this sort of argument is given by the French biophysicist Pierre Lecomte du Nouy (d. 1947) in his book Human Destiny (1947). In it he calculated that the chances of known molecules of protein simply coming together by chance is negligible. He concluded that the whole lifespan of the universe is not sufficient to allow the random collisions of atoms to form even a single protein molecule. But we see so many types of these improbable protein molecules in existence today, the only agency that could account for this is God.
In his article Judo Arguments (1975), the eminent science writer Isaac Asimov (1920-1992) showed how this kind of arguments are flawed. He took as an example, the much simpler molecule H2O or water. It consist of two Hydrogen atoms and one Oxygen atoms. Suppose we were to mix atoms of oxygen and hydrogen together experimentally. There are eight possibilities of how they could bond in tri-atomic form (we are ignoring, for the sake of simplicity, other forms of combinations): OOO, OOH, OHO, HOO, OHH, HOH, HHO, HHH. The chances of one picking the right water molecule, HOH, is 1 in 8 or 1/8. The chances of picking the correct molecule twenty times in a row is 1/8 to the power of 20 is 1018 (that is the number one followed by eighteen zeros!). One would conclude, with impeccable mathematics, that it would be an extremely improbable event to get water out of atoms of hydrogen and oxygen. But this is not what actually happens! In fact, if we were to mix atoms of hydrogen and oxygen together, the end result is not a mixed bag of various types of molecules but, almost without exceptions, the resultant molecules will be HOH. The reason is simple; atoms and molecules do not combine randomly. They combine according to the well defined laws of chemistry and quantum physics. Hence the probability we have presented, although mathematically impeccable, is wrong.

Herein lies the main flaw in du Nouy's reasoning, he assumed that the formation of a protein molecule can only happen by random collisions of molecules. But protein molecules does not form, all at once, as it were, from a sea of simple molecules; they are formed by a series of well defined steps. Proteins are made of peptides, which in turn are made up of amino acids which, in its turn are derived form organic acids.

In fact since the early fifties many experiments have been performed, mimicking what is thought to be the primordial earth atmosphere and the oceans. All these experiments show that without any intervention, save the ultra violet rays (a reasonable assumption, given the absence of ozone - a byproduct of life - in the early atmosphere) and some electric sparks to simulate lightning bolts. Using this methods the scientists have discovered that amino acids, peptides and even protein molecules could be made, and abundantly.

Thus arguments from the improbability of events such as the above almost always fail for the above reason: the believer has ignored the constraints in which the whole system must function.

@96 The bible was dictated by God to Moses on Mount Sinai, letter for letter.

Evolution REQUIRES Faith just as the Bible REQUIRES it. The evolutionist's faith is just as blind as many existing religions. Just because it is written down, doesn't make it true. We all have the right to choose. BUT evolution is forced. Nobody was around to witness what happened 4 billion years ago 3 or even 2 million. A theory is not a fact. A theory will never be a fact.

We all have faith in something. Nobody can prove their beliefs in the bible, hinduism or any religion, including evolution.

Evolution is presented as fact all the time, everywhere. There's no denying that it is only a theory and only a theory. They took god out of schools, let's take out all the religion.

I tried to make every statement fair that obviously applies to both/all sides. Don't deny evolution is a theory. A religion that requires faith. Why is it ok to force it on people?

@98
Please don't use my photo to prove your point. Thanks.

@99 Oh c'mon!! That's proof of evolution! But don't worry... I didn't really use it, I only pointed the direction to where it was.

I just love stating FACTS... here's one...
Don't put your stuff on the net if you don't want people to look at it.

Thanks.

@99 Oh c'mon!! That's proof of evolution! But don't worry... He didn't really use it, only pointed the direction to where it was.

Don't put your stuff on the net if you don't want people to look at it.

@98 The question I posed was not an answer found in the bible. To answer this question you would need only to know were your family was from, ie France, England, Poland. If you do not know then look at your birth certificate it will have your last name and your mother's maiden name. You should be able to trace with that information. After you gather this information look into the history of that region of the world. This should be fun and I am sure that you will learn something. Next you should be able to find something on the faith of the people in that area. Then look for faith changes and the time periods of what was happening at the time of the change. Thank you for taking the time to learn.

did any1 checked about the chupakabras?? mmm i think thats interesting but you guys sukc so yeah fukc you, and the missing link!!!!

@98--
Is the theory of gravity a religion??

My whole world would be upside sown if i fell up!?!
its almost like that theory is so true that it could be called a fact!!
please learn your definitions beyond what they teach in middleschool where im sure you dropped out for getting gregnant or getting someone pregnant...

Theory in no way equates to a religon........ie--Dover area school district

Please do some research before your mouth opens again.

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""Evolution is presented as fact all the time, everywhere. There's no denying that it is only a theory and only a theory. They took god out of schools, let's take out all the religion.""

@104 There's no denying that something is pulling us down toward the earth. What that force is, is presented as the "THEORY" of gravity. not the fact of gravity. It's a great theory, and for a theory with little to no holes (missing links) in it, it's probably true. Evolution is NOT presented as the theory of evolution. Every book on dinosaurs or astronomy starts of with, "Billions of years ago..." not, "It is thought that billions of years..." Here's the truth, open wide, take it in and don't question it. Bend over for the man and be a good citizen.

"Modern physics describes gravitation using the general theory of relativity, in which gravitation is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime which governs the motion of inertial objects"

@102 Sorry, I misunderstood. Definite faith changes in the past, no question there. I don't claim to know all the answers, but I can easily tell that evolution is FAR from having the PROOF it needs to be true.

With any family tree though, (in regards to the theory of evolution) I find it hard to figure out how the population of evolving monkeys remained the same then they all changed at one time. If you trace back any family tree of humans, they go back about 4000 to 6000 years, down to a very small tribe or group of people.

Let's say they were monkeys, 10,000 years ago. Why did the population not explode with monkeys (or caveman, what ever they were supposed to be.) Imagine earth in 12009 if our population continued growing as it is. Did the cavemen have a nuclear meltdown? EvoAids maybe? Where are all the remains? 10,000 years worth of offspring would make one busy place and piles and piles of dead bodies. The math works fine to go back in time with the bible, but to go back 10,000 years or more, it just doesn't fit without multiple theories of mass deaths. Theories of deaths. Theories.

harrison--

the human species predates about 1 million years. Your estimate of bibilical areas is not correct at all. And just so you know it is the Theory of Evolution. Just as the Theory of gravity. When someone talks to you about why you are stuck to the ground they say "isnt gravity awesome" not "isnt this theory great". It makes sense in the science community. I dont think you are quite there yet. All of science opperates on theories and few facts. Therories however are not guesses--They are piles and piles of supporting data that is significant enough to be called a solid theory. They arent just thrown around like play toys. A rapid evolution event is considered about 60000 years so there is no way we arose so fast. And a "nuclear waste idea" doesnt work. 99.99% of mutations are deleterious. They have no effect and are dangerous. The mutation would have to effect the gametes of the organism and then that organism would have to breed with another. Its not like Teenage Mutatnt Ninja Turtles.

It was not a biblical estimate and there was a 2000 year gap left in the dates to make it more forgiving.

1 million years of reproduction by uneducated evolved humans... where are they all? How many people will there be on the earth in 1000 years from now? (not even close to one million) but how many?

One more thing..... if we didn't evolve from apes (after millions of years, not a few thousand you idiot) then why do I have this annoying appendix??? What's with my tail bone as well, oh and would you believe it, I'm covered in hair. Strange that.

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You people are still on this shit? Really? You're not going to change anyone's mind on a Geekologie comment board. Give up! (This applies to both sides of the argument)

This is true. Evolution pretty much proves religion wrong with modern science. We did not evolve from chimpanzees. We evolved from great apes! It may have took millions of years, but we got here. Even though this theory is not TOTALLY proven, scientists consider it a fact. There really is no believing in evolution, it HAPPENED. They have proof. And we have a tail bone which means we once had a tail. Just like whales have hipbones, which means they could have once walked this earth.[ they are mammals]

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I realize I've missed the boat on commenting right away on this subject, but I can't help but say this: Evolution is FACT. Not only the human species, but ALL species. The information that's on this site isn't exactly what I would consider credible considering what else I have been reading on more credible sites, but point taken. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but people still need to keep an open mind. I believe we evolved but that doesn't mean I don't believe in something bigger...We aren't the only planet let alone galaxy so I have a hard time believing there's nothing else out there that isn't human or evolved in it's own way light-years away. This whole universe is a mystery to us because no matter how far we evolve, we will never get the BIG picture. It's too huge for a human, monkey, lemur, dolphin, whale and so on, to EVER in a lifetime get what's really going on here. If someone wants to believe that there's someone sittin in the sky watching every move we make and is willing to throw us in a firey hell if we don't do certain things, but "he" loves us!?(George Carlton had a GREAT point there!)...I guess go ahead. My point is simply this- No matter who you are or what you believe...it's probably wrong. As smart as we want to believe we are, we aren't. That's why all this debate goes on and on and on and.....yeah....We need to just realize that we aren't gonna know the truth until we are six feet under. So, I would recommend for anyone who reads this, get over it. It's bigger than anyone could ever imagine and it certainly isn't worth arguing about. Make your own decisions and just let it be.