Jul 25 2008Spam King Escapes Prison, Kills Wife And Daughter Before Committing Suicide

Does this mean the amount of spam flying around will slack up some?

Wow, just wow. What a piece of shit.

What a piece of trash.

goddamn asshole should burn in hell

Apparently some teenage girl was shot in the neck and another girl's body was found in the vehicle as well?? And a baby boy unharmed...

wtf, who were these extra people? It said the one with the neck injury is serious condition but coherent.

Um. They're not the same person? The spam king that you reported got sentenced last Wednesday is Robert Soloway, not Edward Davidson, who's involved in this murder-suicide. The article you linked to DID mention that Davidson had escaped.

There are many spammers in the world, and now I guess they're getting what they deserve.

Sorry to be a pedantic twat but the story on Wednesday was about another scrote-sucker, 'Spam King' Robert Soloway.
Anyhoo.... couldn't Davidson have busted Soloway outta jail and gunned HIM down instead of some poor teenaged chick ??

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What a scum-sucking dicksack. I can't even say I wish he would go and die, because he already shot himself. Son of a bitch.

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what a nob kills them all over a 21 month sentence nob head ban handguns! If he didn't have one they would all be alive today!

..I'll never understand why people who create a bad situation for themselves feel the need to commit suicide instead of... you know, trying to fix it?

f*** me, what a f***ing lowlife shit eating inbred cow f***er.

time like this i wish there was a f***ing god who could nail this f***s cock to the tailgate of pickup and drive to alaska.
i'll even start praying if this knob jockey gets to go to a nasty corner of hell.

Yea, you all are such wonderful people and sooo much better than this guy, right?
I am not saying anything positive about him but it really kills me when people shoot their mouths off like they've never looked in a mirror before. Obviously this is a terrible tragedy and this guy had some major mental thing going on. Of course it doesn't justify his actions and I can't fathom why he'd resort to such lengths rather than spend a little time in jail. I'm sure he would have only served a fraction of the sentence anyway.

On the legal side of things, aren't there more pressing crimes to deal with than spamming? Of course I didn't follow the entire court thing so I assume there was more going on than just run of the mill solicitation.

I really feel for the two surviving children and the rest of the extended family.

What an ASSSSSSS how could he do that to his 3 year old baby girl.
f....in BASTARD!!!!!

I hate myself and i want to die.

What a total asshat!!!

andy (#12), if handguns were banned, he would have found some other way to kill them all. Guns don't kill people, stupid f***wits with guns do! And before anyone says it, no i'm not a gun activist or own one!

@15 Exactly. Thanks.

# 15- Yeah, I'm afraid I am better than this guy. Mental problems or not, what right does he have to take innocents with him? People "shoot their mouths off" because murder-suicides are pretty close to the lowest you can go, and this is a forum to express our collective disgust and rage. I'm surprised you feel some kind of sympathy for this piece of garbage.

@15--I've looked in plenty of mirrors. I know I have flaws, but I also know that I've never shot my wife, 3-year-old daughter, and teen-aged passenger. This isn't a parking ticket or DUI we're making a judgement call on--it's a double homicide and attempted murder because he was afraid to go to a minimum security prison for a SPAM conviction.

@18 Guns may not kill people, but you've got to admit, they make it a lot easier. At the same time, though, you can't ban cock because some girl got raped, now can you? I'm inclined to point to this guy's mental illness, as well.

'What a piece of shit.' - Well put.

I often heard that spammers would snort a line of coke before doing their daily task of sending out spam because they hate what they do so much.

He probably freaked out after learning he didnt really win the British Lottery and that deal he had going on in Africa didnt go as planned.

This is unbelievable. I can't imagine the kind of mind it would take to do things like this... and I wouldn't want to.
As far as spamming goes... you have to admit, the money is good. I'd hate myself for it, but I'd feel better when I cashed the check. If there's a way to make spamming less lucrative, we could stamp this problem out. I was a telemarketer briefly, and I cried myself to sleep. But $20/hour was hard to pass up in 2001 at the age of 18.

how do you kill a 3 year old... wife is one thing... but a innocent little girl? F this guy. glad he is dead.

God damnit, there's trash everywhere. Tuesday night a fifteen year old here was shot in the chest so that a couple of twentysomethings could mug her, a double homicide yesterday, and on Monday some piece of shit lit his truck on fire in his driveway and ambushed the cops when they came, killing the firefighter who was the 22 year old son of the former mayor and injuring two cops and now this?! When is the world just going to end so that no more basketcase scumbags can ruin shit for the rest of us?

@15 you're doing the internet wrong

@15 - Am I perfect? WOW no!

Have I ever KILLED anyone? Um no, that's not my style.

Have I ever harmed my daughter (or my son)? Not a chance.

So...yes! That does, in fact, make me so much better than this guy.

What the f***? This guy's the biggest douche ever.

All of you who think gun laws actually prohibit criminals from obtaining weapons, are f***ing idiots. Criminals will always have weapons. Legislation prohibits the law abiding citizens from access to weapons to protect and defend themselves. The first actions of a fascist, oppressive, dictatorial controlling government is to take away all the firearms so the people can't revolt. You can all go bask in your ignorance of safety with your inner socialist asses to your hearts content, but I guarantee you would not like the world you live in if guns were illegal. To quote Weichman, "With guns we are citizens. Without guns we are subjects."

@22 A more accurate declaration is that give anything to someone who has a twisted enough mind and he can turn it into something bad.

so i just read an article that said he made his wife help him escape and then he took their car and is still at large. nothing about killing anyone. what's up with that?

Momboelitist your comment denotes a limited mental capacity.
It's pretentious and devoid of maturity, please don't try to write the ''most coherent, mature and thoughtful comment on the internet'' again because you are making a fool of yourself. Your pathetic efforts on eloquence make me cringe.

Sorry, just couldn't resist to inform you.

Hey Wraith, I can assume you're American. I hate to burst your bubble but your precious guns did nothing to prevent George Bush from taking your election and creating a fledgling fascist state on your own soil. I agree that gun laws don't stop criminals from getting guns, but you're way off in suggesting that you are somehow free from oppression because you have a gun. You're subjects just like the rest of us. Except your fellow subjects can now shoot at each other over parking spaces and cheating spouses and shit. Enjoy your "freedom".

32
Regular good guys like you are going to get guns even if they are illegal too. But then that would rub out the line dividing you good guys from the criminals wouldn't it.
People don't need guns to revolt. That was a foolish thing to say. While your gun may be where your confidence lies, it is not where the power of the individual lies.
I think that fascism is inventive enough to find easier and more effective ways of oppressing than just taking guns away.

I dont' think you can guarantee your hypothetically horrible world without guns. What you can guarantee is that people have a problem with the current gun situation. That's why you have to defend guns so much, and guess what, they aren't helping you any with that either. I don't know who Weichman is, but he sounds about as brash as you.

Why are people so obsessed with guns? They aren't even that fun.

@15:

The funny part is you're running your mouth off as well.

"Yea, you all are such wonderful people and sooo much better than this guy, right?
I am not saying anything positive about him but it really kills me when people shoot their mouths off like they've never looked in a mirror before"

which you then follow up with ...

"this is a terrible tragedy and this guy had some major mental thing going on. Of course it doesn't justify his actions and I can't fathom why he'd resort to such lengths rather than spend a little time in jail. I'm sure he would have only served a fraction of the sentence anyway."

Nice going, what was your point again?

What an idiot...i can't believe that. Selfish

man, he didnt even get that bad of a sentence. 21 months? thats hardly 2 years. What a panzy. May his wife and daughter rest in peace.

How the f*** does a weenie such as the "Spam King" escape from jail!?

….because it was an "open prison”. These are for offenders who have been deemed either a low risk to the public or perhaps they are nearing the end of their sentences and have been model prisoners. Prisoners can leave the grounds with permission to see family or attend educational courses.
I live close to an open prison and so far this year 5 prisoners have escaped. Basically they just never returned from their excursion out. Unfortunately 3 are convicted murderers and one brutally raped a teenage schoolgirl just miles outside the prison.
Truth is… the prison system is f***ed up. Overstretched, understaffed and under funded. Some prisoners never reform and they just get lost in the system…

That's very screwed up. I'll pray for the family.

#42: agreed.

@15: Just b/c the rest of us may be douche bags that does not excuse or decrease the severity of this particular douche bag’s actions. Nor does it prevent the rest of us from recognizing the brutality of these actions and commenting on it. In short, one need not be a saint in order to denounce another. It’s never worked that way, and it never will.

I though it was a fake, I mean, everybody wanted dead to this guy, but not like this.

God damn son of a mother f***ing bitch. There are no words to express how f***ing angry this shit makes me. Selfish, cowardly mother f***er. F*** I wish he were alive and "daily excruciating torture" a legal and valid sentence.

@46:
How about we make him sit on a chair made of razor blades, and then kick him in the nads, and right when the pain starts to go away, kick him again. Repeat nonstop for the rest of his life. Oh, and every day we'll cut off a little bit of his undoubtedly small dick with a rusty, dull, scissors.

Because that is what this f***tard of a coward asshole deserves.

All you shortsighted people that want to ban guns should start with cars, they kill a lot more people... Also, ban whatever you want, but when you come to get my shit, you better bring a big one, and some friends, cause I'm taking out the first 14 assholes that try to disarm me. I'm not alone in that. It's not negotiable and not acceptable.

Outlaw guns all you want. They'll always be around.

Don't forget that people can make their own, if they're desperate enough.

@15: I didn't insult him, but others did. I was... saying that I don't understand why he'd do it. People out there suffer from far worse, but they live through it... (And yes, I am a wonderful person, thank you.)

impressive.

To hojo:

It's people like you that make banning firearms a must. I know you wouldn't understand why, and so I'm going to put it as simple as I can.

Fact #1:
In the USA gun possesion is legal -> there have been countless massacres and shootings in the USA during the 20th century.
Fact #2:
In the EU and the developed countries of Asia firearms are banned -> there have been just a handful of shootings in these territories... combined.

I have prepared a problem for you to solve.

Conclusion:
GUNS = mass murders, shootings, massacres.
NO guns = ...............(fill in the blank)

I hope the part about the cars was a joke, it's easily understandable that it's far more difficult to commit a massacre with a car than it is with just a gun. I know that a mad person can kill without a gun BUT IMAGINE: A man goes mad in his bedroom and feels the need to kill people for whatever reason, CASE 1: He goes to his drawer and grabs a gun, goes to the nearest mall and kills 20 people (easily), CASE 2: He doesn't have a gun, so he gets in his car and runs over a pedestrian, the rest of pedestrians run away but he manages to run over 3 or 4 more people before he crashes or gets busted by the police. This scenario is one in a hundred and so it's pointless having an argument about the validity of its variables, the point is that you can compare statistics between countries during last century and THEY SUPPORT THIS SCENARIO.

And... (although secondary when it comes to human lives) our society needs cars to keep developing as they are one of the pilars of almost every aspect of our economy.
Guns are not, as demonstrated by non gun-friendly developed countries all around the world.

And for those who say: Guns will allways be around, it's useless banning them.

In 1997 Australia forced the surrender of nearly 650,000 personal firearms, a study published in 2001 showed a 47% decrease of firearms related deaths.

YES it's possible to ban guns, Australia is another example along with Europe and developed Asia.

Hal, your long ass comment if full of logical fallacies and some just plain old missing the point.

You don't know me at all, so for you to say people like me are the reason.. blah blah. I am a law abiding citizen and a decent human being. I believe in the constitution of the United States and I do not trust government.

Saying that there have been countless massacres and shootings is not a fact. It is a assertion, but without some statistics to back it up, it's just your impression.

You completely missed the point about banning cars (which doesn't surprise me). The point is that far more innocent people are killed by cars than by guns. If your concern is saving lives, then you should go after cars first, based strictly on the numbers.

Even if what you say is true, it is better to risk being killed wrongfully by a firearm than to be at the mercy of those who would harm, oppress, or disarm you.

"Conclusion:
GUNS = mass murders, shootings, massacres.
NO guns = ...............(fill in the blank)"

The previous "conclusion" is quite stupid. It's called a false dilemma. In reality there are many shades of gray in between your two options, which by the way, are neither a conclusion or an argument. I'll format it for you properly so next time you want to say something stupid you can say it properly.

Premise 1: Guns cause mass murder, shootings, and massacres
Premise 2: By eliminating guns, these things can be prevented
Conclusion: Guns should be outlawed.

Of course, both the premises are false, but I doubt you'll be convince of that.

I guess the bottom line is this. A gun is a tool. There are many other tools that can be used to kill people. As the trite-ism goes, "guns don't kill people, people kill people." If people are being massacred, our society needs to address the issue, which is not guns. The real problem is a society of children who do not take responsibility for their actions, and who feel that whatever they do is not really their fault because they are a victim of their culture. People who feel this way can do anything. They can release their sickness on the world by poisoning the water supply, hijacking a bus, improvised explosives, and countless other ways. The simple-minded see the gun and think it's the problem, but those who are able to understand cause and effect and move beyond the most simple animal reflex come to realize that there will always be something one can use to kill.

Self defense is a basic human right. Anyone who relies on others to defend them is helpless and foolish.

You statistics about Australia's gun policy are incorrect. I suggest a little more reading perhaps outside of anti-gun sources. I could suggest some, but you wouldn't trust them.

And finally, because I hate stupid people who think they're smart and spout off about things they don't understand:

F*** You Hal.

@32

Just moved to Europe. Guns are illegal. Crime is LOW.

hojo, first and foremost, just because you insert uncommon words next to each other doesn't mean you are smart, it has to make sense (logical fallacies? please, feel free to define logical fallacy... english is not my first language and I can asure you it doesn't make sense) or be related to my comments as your digression on fact, assertion and impression just can't be applied to my comments because I have statistics but supossed they are too well known they don't need a link. Next time don't base your answer on inexistent weak points, analyze throughly before.

Then you tear down my ''conclusion'' by stating your IMPRESSION without statistics to back it up, followed by an absurd paragraph on shades of gray, false dilemmas (again, trying to be a smart-ass uh? saying ''it's called a false dilemma'' as if you just spotted an example of it is just pathetic) and the definition of conclusion (you can take your time to look that word up in the dictionary, it's the LOGICAL conclusion of the previous FACTS). The only good thing about this paragraph is that you state your position, which I proceed to summarize.

You believe guns don't kill people, bad people kill innocent people, to which I respond ''RIGHT!'', but they facilitate the killing enormously and that's reason enough to ban them, because the banning is effective as demonstrated by Australia and Europe. And here's where you say: No! we need guns to defend ourselves from the state, which I don't trust because it's evil and my gun will be the decisive point in the next civil war.

And at this point of the debate I feel lost, I don't know how to reason with someone who has these thoughts, it's the utmost example of absurdity and the main problem of your theory. Please, stop the nonsense about straightening the children so that they can make responsible use of guns, mad people will always exist, you are talking about an utopical society and so your point is useless.

But now that I understand your point of view I don't expect you to understand it, I can only recommend you to stop watching movies about conspiracy theories and democratic governments turning into totalitarian dicatorships (poisoning water supplies themed and Speed too, for that matter) and to keep attending your useless gun aiming lessons if that makes you truly happy, maybe one day you'll save the world from Darth Vader.

Leaving personal opinions apart, I have to admit that it's very fun arguing with you, and this I tell with ABSOLUTELY NO sarcastic undertones.

Bye.

and this I tell YOU, sorry.

I wasn't aware that I used any "uncommon words".

English is my first (and only) language, so perhaps they seem ordinary to me for that reason.

logical fallacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

your "facts" are obviously not well known, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. You hold a particular viewpoint, so your "sources" of information reflect that viewpoint. The same is true of myself. There's seldom any difficulty in location statistics and opinions that agree with a particular viewpoint.

I didn't "tear down" your conclusion, because it wasn't a conclusion, it was gibberish. I provided an example of premises and conclusion from the perspective of Western thought, which you can learn about in a philosophy class. You can also learn about "logical fallacies, false dilemmas, and rational thinking" in a philosophy class.

You keep saying that banning guns is effective, but it's simply not true, and even if it was, the cost is too high. There are some people who think that life is the most important thing, and anything we can do to preserve life should be done. I am not one of those people. There are many things more precious to me than life. Liberty and Autonomy are two examples of things I would not sacrifice for safety.

It seems to me that many of the people who talk about the virtues of a firearms ban come from countries where they are already banned. I can't help but think that maybe you feel that because your people have given up their power that everyone else should too. Too bad, I am not a subject, I am a citizen.

"And at this point of the debate I feel lost, I don't know how to reason with someone who has these thoughts..."

You feel lost because your opinion is grounded in popular truisms and shallow thought. When you are confronted with a challenge to these superficial ideas, you are lost.

"stop the nonsense about straightening the children so that they can make responsible use of guns"

You misunderstood my analogy. I was saying that many modern people are LIKE children in that they are prevented by their societies from growing up into responsible and independent adults. Their government gives them what they think they need, tells them what they can and can't do, and generally acts like an overbearing parent. These people have no autonomy and no sense of personal responsibility, so their horrifying acts are blamed on everyone but themselves because they see themselves as powerless and therefore not responsible for what they do.

A gun is very simple. It's made of common materials and is not particularly complex in operation. I could certainly make a gun myself if they were banned. There are thousands of other things that can be used to achieve the same purpose and focusing on the implement rather than the problem will not do anyone any good.

"Leaving personal opinions apart, I have to admit that it's very fun arguing with you, and this I tell with ABSOLUTELY NO sarcastic undertones."

I wish I could say the same. Sometime I enjoy a good argument, but this particular topic is very frustrating, because those who disagree are unable or unwilling to see the big picture.

I've told you in the previous post but you've dodged the important part. It's true that we could argue for years about the effectiveness of banning guns and we will never agree, the problem is that you are convinced that having a gun gives you liberty, autonomy and power, and that a firearm is what differentiates a subject from a citizen. And that is such a rotten point of view, for you to think that way it has to be grounded so deeply in your mind that I feel incapable of reasoning with you about it (that's why I felt lost during my explanation).

You base your ideals (the basic ideals of any developed and democratic society) on the sole premise of having guns, you even believe that by taking your gun the government is compromising your liberty. The admiration, self-assurance and sense of security that a simple gun causes on you is something I will never feel.

You see guns as a simbol and I don't, because I was born in a society that doesn't rely on guns (killing instruments) to enforce its ideals, we don't even think of them, guns are a not a way of solving problems and you are not John Rambo (I suposse). Because guns are an integral part of your society, banning them may not work until a generation is born and raised without them. It may not work instantly but I belive it will show results in 20-30 years.

Of course, the part about straightening the kids applies to anyone, young or old. But you go even further to say that the government is the problem, the cause of our tragedies. And here we go again, you immediately turn to your gun, your precious little gun, to solve your problems, because it's in your roots, in your mind, you always have a gun in your head. A dog is coming to bite me to death? I can shoot him with my gun. The government tries to oppress me? I can fight whoever with my gun. A tsunami is coming? Hmm... a gun would do.

When good people do this it's ok, but bad people do it too, they rely on guns to solve their problems (supposedly caused by a rotten government or not) because they have them around since they were born.

And then we go to the conspiracy theory part, the most hilarious paranoid stuff I've read in a long time.

A bunch of punks poisoning Manhattan water supply, you could ad another twist, the toxic chemical product is made in the garage of one of the kids, because he stole the formula from the CIA via internet.
Or they can hijack a bus, what the hell, Keanu Reeves could do it alone! someone should have him under strict surveillance.
And my favourite one, the corrupt government, ruled by a few powerful men, dressed in suits and having secret meetings in dark, futuristic rooms. They control the golbal economy and the media. In summer, they vacation to the Area 51.

But that's ok, because thank god you've got your gun... your simbol of freedom and power.

Apart from this, I want to say that I love the USA, I've been there many times and I'm moving to LA next month. The way of life, the people, the culture, the priorities, I, unlike many fellow Europeans, love the USA. The only problem I've got is that such great country has half of its population believing in guns.

I realize our posts are getting too long and I will understand if you decide not to answer if you feel we're not getting anywhere.

Bye.

If anything, I hope this teaches the feds that cybercrimes should be taken as seriously as any other. No more putting these asshats in minimum security camps where they can just wander off and fillet their wife and baby.

It's funny...

One of my primary points was that guns are not the issue. Yet, here you are telling me that it's all about guns for me. You've made a lot of assumptions about me that are not true. I have never used a gun to solve a problem. It hasn't been necessary.

I suppose that to some degree it is a symbol, but a very practical symbol. I certainly don't think of it as a solution to every problem, but when it comes to solving a problem that can't be reasoned with, it comes in very handy.

If you honestly believe that people view guns the way you describe in your previous post, I suppose I understand why you feel the way you do, but understand that your conception of gun owners has nothing to do with reality. Since you've been raised in a society that denies guns to its subjects, it's no wonder your perspective is twisted. You've got no practical experience to base your opinion on. I think if you spent some time with people who take their lives into their own hand, you might feel differently.

Understand also, that the issue is not about guns. The issue is about whether the government has the right to control the people or the people have a right to control the government. Our Constitution says that the people have the right to control the government, by force if necessary, hence the need for guns or other weapons.

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When I read stuff like this, were someone thinks murder-suicide is the answer (especially when innocent children are involved), this may sound corny, I wish I had the power to teleport and rescue the family.

Children don't get to pick their parents.

#53: I agree with you.

I know a lot of people don't want to believe it but if guns were to become illegal we would all be helpless because criminals would still be able to get guns and normal, law-abiding citizens wouldn't have any means of self-defense against their attacks.

It just makes sense. I don't own a gun, but I'm glad a lot of sane people do.

A little late, but I'll have to go with Hal on this one. I live in Singapore, where firearms are banned, and it has yet to lead to the government turning fascist, people protesting, fearing for one's safety etc. If anything, it's made the country safer.