Apr 24 2008Forget Time Travel, Now We're All Gonna Die

We have far more to lose if it goes wrong than we have to gain if it works exactly as planned, which i highly doubt it will.

And besides, what if it works and we create a time paradox? or what if it has been working for all eternity and we now nearing the end of galatic time loop that is doomed to cycle endlessly?

People need to stop being little girls and grow a pair, don't be afraid of the unknown. There are other colliders this one is just extra large. When the Tsar bomb went off they were worried it could destroy the Earth. When NASA let the Galileo satellite crash into Jupiter people were scared the plutonium would ignite the gases on Jupiter from the intense temperature and pressure. Like the people complaining are doing anything to help anyone else in the first place. They could die and it wouldn't matter at least we'd all go together.

if it does somehow kill us all would it be a pianful and slow demise? or would if just be over and thats it? really thats what we need to figure out. if it'll be instant death i'm all for it. hell i won't even notice anythng happened. but if i'm gonna be inconvenienced by pain... well they can fuck right off

All those douches forget that the experiment is on an atomic scale, they aren't going to let huge rocks crash into each other with near lightspeed or something (which would be quite impossible) ...
And wtf has a european project to do with an US _national_ policy act ?
Certainly douchebags of the week imho.

I'm really a lot more worried about a resonance cascade. The last thing we need is another Black Mesa incident.

Fret not, fellow humans! I have it from a very trustworthy source that no matter the velocity, two Adams colliding will NOT produce a black hole. We've even tested this at my workplace, but due to a lack of Adams here, we used Steves.

let that bitch rip. people live in too much fear. who cares if we all die, we're all going to die anyway.

Wait, if it's called Center for Nuclear Research, shouldn't it be CENR instead of CERN?

@9, the acronym isn't in English, you fool.

I have no opinion.

Now who's for a game of "Monopoly"? I know I am.

@6. Fuck that, didn't you play Half Life? That shit is way more interesting that my life now. Bring on the headcrabs, I got my trusty crowbar ready and willing.

I guess as long as they don't divide by zero.

Since the dawn of mankind we have endeavored to explore and search and generally rummage about in things to increase our knowledge. The Hadron guys are doing what humans do best. Go on guys, get right amongst it.
I got dibs on the triceratops...maybe we can mix the laser robots and dinos.
I'm all over it.

i want holographic porn NOW!!

Neat the earths fate in the hands of a few...Good times.

Time travels cool too.

HAHAAH the comment the editor made are funny as hell LOL "the past to have sex with the dinosaurs" or "They're convinced it'll open a black hole bigger than my girlfriend's gaping pie-hole" LOLOLOL

Don't worry, John Titor told me all about it. It seems Geekologie writer may get to have sex with a dinosaur soon.. what a perv.

I'm all for the DinoRiders idea! who's to say that the russians who think it will enable time travel were wrong... and maybe those Hawaiian fags are right too!

I'm predicting that we will all be sucked in by a giant time warping black hole!

I look forward to being friends with baby stegasoreseses..

As long as it makes a funny "BOING!" sound when it happens, I say we let 'em do it.

WTF has a Euro project got to do with the U.S. National Environmental Policy Act??? This is what makes America look like a doofus nation and why we are becoming a joke country around the world. If we carry on like this we will be owned totaly by China.

But come on guys, the physics is known for black hole production on this scale and the effect of that production - basicaly the hole eveporates because of its small size. Time travel would be great though!

Even if it didn't evaporate, wouldn't a micro black hole just go through the Earth without interacting much with anything?

I can't believe IHT would publish such nonsense.

please, read this before you spread this news around

http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html

i'm more afraid that the CERN-thing actually works more than it doesn't. Time travel would be a problem in hands of almost ANYONE!

On the other hand, we could go back in 2000 and tell Florida elders to vote for the right guy.

@21: l think the plaintiffs use the U.S. National Environmental Policy Act because maybe there is no similar rule in the EU. But you're right on one point: hawaiian judges have nothing to do with a european science project: plaintiffs sould have gone to a EU communitary official or to a european judge.

And also there is a principle of precaution, which tells in case of scientifically unknown effects of a certain task, the governments are compelled to prevent it.

@23, excellent link

The same equations that predict a black holes creation also predicts it's instant demise. Daily, larger particles are colliding all the time in the upper atmosphere with much more energy involved. I for one, am not paralyzed by the unknown.

I don't believe in a "God", but if there is by chance one, I would prefer to meet him before I die, not after.

dude i'm with you on the whole time travel back to jurasick park...i'm gonna make a whole fleet of those little dinos that eat everything...and then we will rule the world together until they turn on me and eat me as well...o crap...wait...i don't speak dinosaur...does anyone have a speak dinosaur for dummies?

again, the H bomb makers back in the day thought the gadget would incinerate the atmosphere.

well, it didn't.

unless the russian time machine fixed that problem.

brain...caught...in ...paradox!

must destroy WORLD!

luckily, there's no real chance for the "Strangelets" destroying the earth, since they woud first destroy machine that was keeping them stable.
http://www.livescience.com/technology/destroy_earth_mp-1.html (method #9)

being destroyed by a microscopic black hole (for black holes, microscopic means having the mass of Mt Everest) is more likey than death by strangelets (method #8 on the above site).

@22 - from the above site
The black hole will plummet through the ground, eating its way to the center of the Earth and all the way through to the other side: then, it'll oscillate back, over and over like a matter-absorbing pendulum. Eventually it will come to rest at the core, having absorbed enough matter to slow it down. Then you just need to wait, while it sits and consumes matter until the whole Earth is gone.

"Technology has changed in the 400 years since Cervantes first told the story of Don Quixote. Windmills are now particle accelerators and the knight's lance is a federal court injunction, but the plot is the same. It begins with a befuddled lawyer in Hawaii named Walter Wagner. Having read far too much science fiction as a youth, Wagner fantasizes that he is a physicist by virtue of an undergraduate biology degree with a minor in physics. Accompanied by Sancho, his loyal TA, Wagner embarks on an adventure to slay the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a doomsday machine that he believes is posed to destroy the world by creating a black hole. He seems to have forgotten the last time he tried this. In 1999 Wagner warned that RHIC, the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at Brookhaven National Laboratory, must be slain lest it create a black hole (WN 23 Jul 99) . The then BNL director, Jack Marburger, named a distinguished panel of physicists to investigate. Their report noted that nature has been conducting the relevant safety test for billions of years by colliding heavy-ion cosmic rays with the moon. It concluded that creation of a black hole is "effectively ruled out by the persistence of the Moon.""

http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN08/wn040408.html

Dude- black holes are awesome. If I could make one I totally would- it would be funny I think. If we were going to get gobbled up by it, chances are it would happen so fast that we wouldn't notice it- I mean we are talking about something that can "eat" light right? My guess is that we wouldn't feel a dang thing cause our nerves aren't capable of reacting that fast. So screw it- I say do it. Where would we be if we didn't take chances? We wouldn't have cars, or planes or electronics... Light it up!

Nice court case too. I know that I like to pretend to be important by filing a case in my country that will have little to no bearing on the other country as it's not an international court of law... I hope that the tax payers aren't paying for that crap!

this is so bad ass

@29
Wonderful, he's a persistant nutcase.
Using the continued existance of the moon to prove ANYTHING is awesome.

"Their suit also says CERN has failed to provide an environmental impact statement as required under the U.S. National Environmental Policy Act."

Who are they going to sue anyway? It's not like the US would be part of that project or in any way responsible for it, neither financially nor in any other way. I guess in the worst case they just invade Switzerland and destroy the accelerator. That's just stupid. As is timetravel btw.

Im seriously going to take a one way trip over there and kill these assholes and their families for ever coming up with an idea so stupid this is worse than canceling The Simpons except the world is actually gonna end those who support me and e-mail im going to carry out this mission one day before they are set to use it. Again this was the dumbest way to spend 8 billion dollars and since im going to destroy it it's just going to be an 8 billion dollar firework I hope thos scientists see my message and fear for there lives cause im coming to get you thats to anyone who had anything to do with this idea

Jay Walker I will back you on this because I like the world the way it is and it canrt be risked just so a bunch of asshole idiots can try and make a hole in time. Sure that would be cool but do it on your own planet because I dont wanna get sucked into a black hole by some stupid swedish person. So this is to all those who helped make this thing and i quote, "I am going to come to your country I'm going to chop up your loved ones and then spoon feed them to you and afterwards i will cut your stomach open and play with your guts while your still alive then if thats not bad enough im going to sew you back up and then let a dog come and reopen your wound and eat you alive so i suggest if you care for your life or the lives of your familys please stop cause i do not want to have to do this, but i will in the name of defending the earth from you Idiots by the way if i cant stop u and u do make time travel i apologize for all of the above but just keep it in mind

oh my god you people make me pray for death and black holes and oblivion. please stop procreating.

ok, so i know diddly squat about crap such as this, but i'm inclined to believe this as much as i believe my psychotic father that thinks everyone around us kills random people for money and SS#

i remember people talking about the end of the world since i was a kid- dates have come and gone and we're still chipping away at all of our natural resources. it's safe to say we will kill this earth long before any black gapping hole will

Why does the European CERN have to submit a U.S. National Environmental Policy Act anyway?

If the majority of the world actually did a 3course sciences in highschool they would know the possibilities of CERN creating creating a strangelett/black hole/or anything else cosmically disastrous was a joke in the scientific community. Posibilites of finding new particles is around 60-70% and potential problems ~5% and to inject so much energy into an elementary particle to cause its density to increase to that needed to cause a black hole would take more then 100% of the U.S.A's power generation capability.

Learn physics and common since, don't absorb it from the National Times.

why are u all like that????we can travel in time since along time agoo....n this computer is not working right.....kus i wrote this in 2008 n it says that i wrote it in 2006...my time.....i have a time mchine.....works great....i have use it like more than 223 times so i think im from the past......

"Sex with dinosaurs" WTF?

when the combine come knocking on your door, at least i can have the peace of mind that i totally disagree with this

I first remember hearing about this experiment roughly a year ago, at first glance, it seemed like a potential to find a solution to the inevitable energy crisis that we're facing. However, given more time, I'm seriously beginning to have a bad gut feeling regarding this.

When you hear scientists attempting to quash the dissent amongst the uneducated general public the first thing you notice is that they attempt to lay everything out in numbers, i.e. the odds are "50 million to 1 that a microscopic black hole will form and spread" there's a ".000000000000001 % chance that strangelets may form".

Now when you apply those odds to say, being struck by lightning, or the chance that terrorists are going to strike the 7-11 in some backwater town of 500 people, it's comforting, as you know, even if by some odd chance it does happen, it's either just yourself or your town that gets iced. However, with this we are talking about a very small chance that we may destroy the entire planet.

In my opinion this is not a decision that such a small group of people, (elected officials and the scientific bodies governing this experiment) should feel free to make on their own. This world belongs (in theory at least) to all those who live on it, and it should be the majority of us who decide to take a risk of this magnitude.

One other thing I have an issue with is the scientific community's claim that this type of experiment happens every second of every day via the cosmic rays that have been affecting this planet for over 4.5 billion years. While that may very well be true, it's been nature/the driving force behind the universe/the big bang/god etc. that has regulated it. For a species with a history such as ours, you would think that experiments such as these would only be conducted in a fail-safe environment, i.e. when we have a backup planet to test on.

Just my two cents.

Okay to ease people minds, there are other colliders are powered up right now, yes this one maybe big as hell, I really disrespect the ones who keep saying "let's go! kill us all!!!" "grow some balls!!!" I admire the enthusiasm but it's really making people afraid that they will be destroyed, I say just pray and move on with your life, I am a bit angry on why this was being build, maybe they did something and they know something and won't talk about it.

I say forget about it, just live and if we die and can have free will just stomp on the guys who made the machine simple.

You try too hard to be funny.
And it fails.
You aren't funny.

p.s. FUCK THE SWEDEZZZ.

I think this is how the dinosaurs died

Eh, there is a huge asteroid coming to kill us all anyway, so hey. its this way or that way...

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lol

when i read some of the comments made by americans, i wonder how the F*^%$
they ever made it to the moon and back.
bunch of stupid assholes,
when creating the atom bomb ( a far more evil device than the LHC )
they didn't go around asking everyones permission so f&^%&% you.
we do what we want here in europe and don't need permission from some inbread hillbilly.

have a nice day!

As a physics professor in australia, im surprised at all the nonsense on the CERN projects planned. People always fear what they dont know, and thats the biggest fear - that these same people try to convince everyone else there is a danger. Its sad there is too many people out there with no knowledge of
physics.

Yeah seems no black hole, shame really, I wanted to encounterr one.

http://rvidproductions.blogspot.com/2008/09/are-we-all-going-to-die-large-hadron.html

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yoU STUPID PEOPLE WHATS THE BIG IDEA IN DOING THE BIG BANG I MEAN IF THE WORLDS GOING TO END THEN LET IT HAPPEN NATURALLY WITHOUT YOU PROVOKING IT!!! THANK U

This theory is cool.. And why we people think that it will work , when we have not yet tried it.. huh? I feel that without eating "chilly" we wound never know its spicy HOT...
Someday everyone has to die. So, why comment on something that is not in progress yet..?

we someone wants to try let em try and why fear because " one never knows that it will work 100%" ... think it in another way , say it fails by 100% huh?