Feb 11 2008Uh Oh: Russians Think Time Machine Is Right Around The Corner

Crazy.....cool crazy....

Nope not gonna work... There's no Flux-capsitor...

stupid Russians

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I don't get it...so the scottish guy walks into an elevator and is cloned? Destroy this machine at once!

So, this was featured on enitech lab's website, which is a viral blog for the next terminator movie. I'm wondering the the author didn't pick up something that was started to promote a movie - no scientist is retarded enough to make these sorts of claims with this kind of experiment.

ZOMG!11!! THATS IN A SCENE FROM T3: RISE OF THE MACHINES!!!11!!!!!!

gah... fanboy attack.

gotta go take some more pills....

the experiement was originally scheduled for september but there was an explosion that hindered progress on the machine's final touches.

is it just me or does an explosion seem like one hell of a bad omen?

It did work, and it did create a rip in the spacetime fabric... I am writing from the 27th century... Its pretty much like the 21st, but the DMV lines are now measured in light years...

Im fixin to make me a double nigga back in the days

time travel is NOT possible because of this reason:

lets say you go back in time and kill your mother and father. If you do this, how were you able to travel back in time in the first place?

First off, #8: LOL.

Second, there's actually a mathematical equation for why one can't reach or exceed the speed of light. It's something like 1 - [root (1 / x - y)] or something...I can't remember, I saw it 10 years ago...it's relevant because one would need to travel faster than the speed of light to travel through time. So while #10's explanation is something you'd tell a group of grade school children...he has somewhat of a point.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't go back in time to kill my own parents...in any case, it just seems all like a big hoax...I don't doubt they're really trying to do it, but I feel that in their hearts, they know they just want the media attention or extra funding. Honestly, I'm staying on the "it won't work, and if they prove me wrong I'll eat my shorts" bandwagon, which is actually an amazing time-traveling bus...like from the Magic School Bus days, ah...good times.

So time for a little Deja Vu (in which they also attempt time travel): FAKE!!!

Can it fit in a Delorean...and where they are going, do they need roads?

Unfortunately scientists are great at science but not so great at explaining to the public that we aren't going to get sucked into a black hole.

They will tell you there is a chance. However, the chance is like 10^ 50 power or something.

Still I'm not excited about this experiment

Gee #11, good job you were here with your stupid pseudo science that you can barely remember or we might have all been taken for a ride! You, sir, are a national treasure.

But seriously, stop being such a close minded douche, if all our theories and equations were right, we wouldnt have anything left to learn. It's naive to assume we know everything, we dont.

Having said that, I dont know if this will work, they dont really know what will happen here and at this point it's all guessing. I wouldnt get too worked up about some crackpot assuming this will create a rip in spacetime...

Can I post this on http://xtechforum.com?

Also; for future, am I allowed to post any other blog posts on xtech? Or shall I ask for each one specifically.

Marty, you've got to come back with me!

Roads? Where we're going, we don't need..."roads".

Great Scott...

haha #8, good one.

as for the killing your parents part.. you guys should read Rant by Chuck Palahniuk, not that will explain a damn thing for real but it does hint at couple of amusing theories.

um well one time on TV i saw a movie called "Back To The Future" and i know everything on TV is real why would TV lie to me if its not so in my calculations time travel is possible

i dont know about time travel - but anyone else see the possibility of danger in trying to recreate the big bang - even if just in small terms?

look what happened when we split an atom...

#19 Bah, what you say... there is no way the explosion can reach here in the U.S...I mean it would have to be some kin....

Oh MY GOOOOO--

Someone please go back in time and kill #10 and #11's parents.

See you all at The Time Traveler Convention May 7, 2005

ok just because they say time travel is possible doesn't mean they're sending people back in time. They've been working on experiments for years now with accelerators where it seems they are close to getting particles to defy the laws of linear time and if they can do this it will in essence be time travel. It will be a particle smaller than (insert male dominence phrase here) you can see and they believe the shift in time will be smaller than anything we normal people can measure.

That being said I want my hover board damnit.

Anyone actually considered that a rip in the fabric of time could make a portal to the future? I'd say it was more possible as time has been around for X amount of years but will be around for inf-1.

Think about it. If you can go back in time, wouldn't there already be people here from the future?

If we did invent a time machine it would only be possible to go back to the time when the machine was invented. Which would explain why we haven't seen anyone from the future......yet.

dear geekologie writer:

The Levi's ad on the right side of this page asked me to tell you that it WAS in fact a space time portal that occurred in your pants, and that nothing short of Micheal J Fox can rip a pair of Levi's.

Sincerely,
Sweetnuggs 42

Ollie pwns all on this one. Those of you trying to explain to us why time travel or travel faster than light are 'impossible' sound ridiculous - like an ant trying to explain to all of his friends why it's impossible to build a communications satellite. Personally, I can't think of a better way to retard progress than to deny its possibility. So...
Based on what very little we know (or, rather, think we know) about this sort of thing - there is a potential for such an experiment to be very, very dangerous - especially from certain Copenhagen interpretation and background field theory perspectives.
The idea of time's true nature being non-linear is gaining more and more traction all the time in theoretical and experimental circles of late - some of the experiments are beginning to show (or at least suggest) that what we would consider to be 'retrocausality' is as common and natural a phenomenon as radiation. Check out John Cramer at the University of Washington - his stuff is fascinating and accessible.
Overall, the degree to which our own arrogance is holding us back bothers me a great deal. We think we're so smart, that we know and understand the way the world works and have only but the last few secrets to unravel. We're wrong - flat wrong. We've barely even started yet. I am well aware that this sentiment is unlikely to be well received today, but I am absolutely confident that it will be vindicated. I can only hope that it will be in my lifetime; I'd dearly love to razz all the naysayers when they're forced to finally admit that we know nothing.

Ah eccoli, you radical you, so novel, so current. Like Socrates, you have figured out that you know nothing. Thanks for the insight. When you're view are vindicated, you'll probably join the ranks of Galileo and Copernicus - you're a real prophet.
Yeah, experiments can be dangerous. That never stops people. We're going to f*** stuff up at some point, at least with a big energetic experiment we'll know when and why it happened.
Really, no one is trying to recreate the big bang. I think that requires all the matter in the universe (even the 90% we can't find). A few particles thrown together won't quite do it. The idea is to recreate the conditions of the universe right after the big bang to better understand the origins, and their success.

with so many scientists posting on this thread - whose doing the experiments ;-)

There are particle collisions of a more violent nature happening all the time in the upper atmosphere. The LHC will attempt to recreate these collisions but will only be able to do so at a fraction of the power. I have no idea why so many people are paying attention to what these two are saying.

#14: I'd hardly call "you can't travel at the speed of light" "stupid pseudo science." But clearly you are a much bigger man than I since you can use words like "closed minded" and "douche." Us know everything? hah, of course we don't, but very well spoken...you sound like an 18 year old who just discovered that after many years of thinking you know everything, you don't. I was commenting on impossibilities, but that may be a little hard for you to understand, give it time.

#21: Jealous because I have parents? Very mature.

Another thought after reading #28: I guess the experiment would thus be "the yokto-bang" Though It's probably smaller than that, relative to the universe (read: way smaller).

#29: "who's" (read: who is).

#30: right on.

I think Mr. Scott needs to get back to the enterprise. He's needed the Klingons are attacking and the warp drive dilithum crystals are decaying.

They're not my views, Carl - I'm just a parrot.

I found your ambiguous sarcasm delightful, though. Really.

time doesnt exists only growth,

there are logical contradictions in "time/travel"
BUT there is the casual loop in which say i took a book traveled back in "time" gave it to the author in which they copied it and then in my time read it and then went back. no one wrote the book but yet they did.

light has no mass hence in can travel faster than anything, & SO FAST that it practically has the same speed in all reference. FLICK A LIGHT SWITCH ON AND OFF, the light must reach from the bulb to every point in which light can reach (which is everywhere) better know as light cones. so say bulb is point a and the point in which you stand is b(hypothetically stating that distance is farther away then a couple of feet lets say 2 lightyears) to the person flipping the switch versus the bulb actually being on, the bulb sees light before the person flipping the switch even thou both events happen at the same "time".

with that how would you travel in time if the events technically happened at that very same moment.

time is observer dependent. so there is no time only growth.

but hey i TOTALLY would like to see this thing smash particles together maybe it will open the gates of hell or maybe the eyes of odin, or it could do what they think it does and open LIGHT on the situation of time and the big bang.

You're not too bad yourself Uncle, though I was going for blatant. Sorry for the attack - got some coffee into me, and think I can be civil again.

In all appearances we seem to have a good grasp on things - I think this is mostly due to the success of Newtonian Mechanics. From sand to stars things made sense. But then we try to go small, and find out it's bigger than us. It's a funny bit of paradox. But people in general hear about scientific successes, what we think (read: know). So yeah, we think we know. What you are talking about is public perception, which has only a few things it can practically focus on at a time (the few questions left to be answered) and has spectacular mood swings due to the different media. I hope that the scientists have an idea of their lack of knowledge, which the enormous (and increasing) volume of current literature hints at. Otherwise I would think periodicals would be limited to a few per unanswered question in the name of efficiency (something science claims to endorse).

Can we go back in time and have Barbara Bush have an accident so she couldn't reproduce?

Ha ha - I just got back from working on the LHC (well, one of the detectors that will use the LHC) and saw this posted on the site. Excellent work guys! This thread has made me laugh, and cheered me up after a long day planning the destruction of the planet. ;-)

My boyfriend and made reservations to visit this facility in Switzerland 6 months ago, but they don't have openings until 2009!!!! If you want to see this shit, plan ahead..

2009. Can't wait

Carl: Don't mention it. I wasn't offended - I know I've got a silly tendency to wax philosophical, and I really do prefer wit to reserve. The politics of funding really is the true crime in all of this - it has left too many good minds in fear of unconventional thought and relegated... there I go again. Still, science could benefit from a healthy dose of humility; the next time I hear some astronomer claim that water is a prerequisite for life I just may hunt him down and beat him to death with a book on anthropocentrism.

wow--

i am amazed at all the amazing information that is coming out of these retards--

@# 1- 40

you are all lame -- im sorry but its true--

i cant wait to travel back in time to be first on this post and plan ahead and call you all retards then because -- thats what you are RETARDS!!

you wanna travel back in time -- click my name-- it will take u back to the best time in your life!

frist!
~420~

shit. in dan brown's book, angels & demons......don't they do this exact thing? with anti-matter? not so much the time travel thing but creating a miniature Big Bang?

shit. and i here i thought they'd already been doing it.

this is my third time seeing it. me and the wife, celebrity rock super star of 2020, decided the first 2 times just wasn't enough.

#41:
Go fall in a lake and never return.

As usual, I have to explain.....

Even if time travel is possible, something of which I could accept, nobody takes into account "place".

Think about it, the Earth is how many gazillion light years away from the place that it was when Jesus walked the earth or when you're high school girlfriend was blowing the quarterback.

Face it, if you can travel in time, that's great. But if you cant move from one place to another at the same time then you'll materialize in the cold vacuum of space.

OUT!

Whether time travel is possible or not, this is related to the TV series Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles, and is NOT REAL.

my name is hiro nakamura, i come from the future

"#29: "who's" (read: who is)."

damn, i hate silly grammatical errors! i went to school and should know better.

#14 is dead on. It's hilarious the way all you kids are pretending to be scientists and have enlightened arguments, when really you don't know shit. Keep it up!

at one time it was thought impossible for a human to break the 4 minute mile. once that threshold was broken, the song was changed - impossible to break a 3 minute mile.

at one time it was thought impossible to achieve flight, let alone travel to the moon.

at one time the atom was thought to be the smallest thing out there. then it was electrons. then various other sub-atomic particles, including light, which seems to have mass.

a lot of things were thought to be impossible. just because we haven't travelled faster than the speed of light yet, doesn't mean that it can't be done.

and we only assume that light is the fastest thing out there. there could be something even faster, but it's so fast that we haven't seen it, and can't measure it. science is constantly evolving - even Stephen Hawkings wrote a book to say that everything he said in first book was wrong (and his first book was accepted as the absolute truth).

and since we're all travelling through time right now (granted, we're all travelling in the same direction, at the same speed (except for the guy in orbit)), why is impossible for people to conceive that we might be able to speed up, slow down or even reverse direction.

luddites,
So calling things impossible is good motivation. If someone were to say that the 0.5 second mile was impossible would it have had the same effect? Seems like the perceived impossibility of what we haven't yet reached is one of the most powerful forces driving human accomplishment (both sporting and intellectual). That seems like a silly thing to criticize too heavily. But you are right - we can never prove anything impossible, only possible.

#49 - I am surprised at and envious of your ability to tell who is a scientist from their message board comments. I can't even tell when looking one straight in the eye. What is is that makes one a scientist? It must be more than experimentation, otherwise every hippy, dyke and child is a scientist. Perhaps it is the degree that a person has? Maybe scientists are just right about everything all the time? I thought it was more about interest, thought and critical evaluation, but it must be more general than that. Perhaps just the feeling you get about a person. Like the way I can tell you are an ass hole just from reading your post.
Thanks buddy. I think I just figured it out.

this is not true. if they try it, they wont be sendin me on it cause i am not dyin early, people. if it creats a rip in time(how is it possible?) , the planet will be destroyed. lets have a vote to see if it should try it. either vote yes or no.

@guate6;

You think I sound like an 18yr old who just realized I dont know everything? You sound like 14yr old who just finished his first physics lesson and thinks he DOES know everything. I have studied physics all through high school and beyond, thank you very much and if my teachers taught me anything it's that today's "Impossibilities" are tomorrows revelations so don't go giving me your amature "I saw an equation that said you cant go faster than the speed of light" crap. Hey! Look! The earth looks like it's flat from here and I heard the sun revolves around the earth! Those assumptions must be true too.

Even if you're on the "cutting edge" of science, you're never more than a few years away from being disproven so get off your high horse and read a freaking book. You do NOT know everything about the universe, stop pretending you do.

Hmmm theres quite a lot of opinions here. Our technology is limited, and our collection of knowledge is inadequate on decisively discussing something that we know little about.
I refer to HP Lovecraft for an encouraging enlightenment

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

That sentiment applies to many contexts. As children we don't understand the complexity of certain issues as well as an adult, however we see a part of it that an adult often overlooks: the logic. The laws of Mathematics and Einstein's work says that time travel is a theoretical impossibility. However, do we not - as humans - create these laws to better understand a universe that is otherwise so vast and inconceivably marvellous?

As a disclosure, what I'm trying to say is keep an open mind, like #14 said.
If I'd posted during a manic episode, I might have explained a little more about what I'm trying to say. Heh...
kthxbai

OMG were all gonna die!

(this is heavy)

I have actually used this time machine, i went back in time to before this article was ever posted and totally changed the subject i was talking about.. Hey them geese have nice feathers, just listen to the nice sound they make when they fly overhead ...

I'm an avid Necrophiliac so this is the best news ever!!! I can murder my girlfriend over and over have my wicked way and then when I'm hungry it can all go back to normal so she can make my dinner lovely jubbly

wow i think this post has the most comments ever.

anyway i like #2's comment. straight up and simple.

anyway possible or not i dont think it's a good idea

Well I'm not sure if it will work or not, But if doesn't. I'll just laugh harder then I'm laughing now.

back to the future really inspired some people... 20 YEARS AGO

Im sorry but all this is going to be just BS to me, I mean, no Doc. Brown around?????

Not saying that is a fake......there are many advances in technology the the general public don't know about, but I can't help feeling " I'll believe it when I see it"

#44 - yes, agreed.

powned

Time travel is not feasible. Time is a measure device created by man and is not prerecorded. All they are going to do is cause a large explosion, hurting a few hundred.

Sixty-seventh NICE!!

@44 and 64

lick me ...

you both are retards just for responding to me-- dam tardo's ..

hugs!

~420~

Absurd. It's just a particle accelerator. Many have been made over the years. Nothing more than sensationalist PR to justify massive funding for fairly "uninteresting" experimentation. These things are being made fairly regularly, and the PR is always roughly the same.

I say just put the damn thing in a blue police box!!!

Does this thread not make you feel shame? Mentioning time travel around a group of nerds is like saying the beer is all gone at a frat party-first the blaming, then the flaming, then the punching anyone you know in rl. Please, show the rest of the online community you are worth a 2d6 damn and STFU U FLAMIN N00B!
That out of the way, Agree totally with #69, and you could fit a 14 mile pipe in one-I hear they are bigger on the inside.

To # 25... that's a good point... maybe we should try the mental hospital. Im sure there are lots of people locked up in there who claim to be from the future... or jesus... I'm sure if you walked by someone on the street who was ranting and raving about being from the future and that he has come to warn us about some sort of mess, we'd all think he was crazy, and he'd get locked up in the looney bin.
So maybe anythings possible. who knows... and ... I'm not sure where im going with this... *puts down bong*

Hihi

Could the person who says light has no mass please explain why black holes are erm, black. (yes, I know they emit hawking radiation so in that sense aren't really black but you get my point)

@66. JCoit

"Time travel is not feasible. Time is a measure device created by man and is not prerecorded"
does that mean that distance is also a "measure device created by man", and therefore it is impossible to walk from point A to point B?

hours, minutes, years, days are measuring devices that we created, just like feet, miles and kilometers.

time exists. we are traveling through it right now. and time even exists in a 2 dimensional world (imagine a 2d world, and then consider that they have a past, current and future). so, time travel is simply a matter of moving in time (which we all do anyway) in a slightly different pattern than the rest of us.

I have read every single post thus far and have came to my own conclusion, which is - none of you have the ability to travel to the future (or maybe some of you do, I don't know) my point is - no one is 100% sure what will happen until the experiment is conducted and results are collected.
So lets travel back here (back in time) after the data has been made public and discuss.
I still believe hypotheses are beautiful.

@techman

I have traveled to the future! (check the time of my post, compared to yours)

things aren't that different here in the future. basically everything is the same, except my coffee is cold, and the last bagel in the lunchroom seems to have disappeared. I have yet to determine what exactly about the future causes bagels to vanish.

so, you got any theories/hypotheses?

i am no scientist but i am open minded but the first thing is do you nerds want time travel or does all of humanity need it my appinion is NO!!!!! whats done is done although what you have all been arguing about and attacking each other over is just silly but i thank you all because you have given me a reason to laugh about your posts if someone can proove me wrong go ahead give me another reason to Laugh out loud :P
although i do admit i am slighty concerned about the use of this technology i dont understand it much but i am not naieve it does sound dangerous so i do agree with #50 interesting point
but i have only one thing to say on this post and that is OMG WERE ALL GONNA DIE i hope we human (beings) start learning from there Mistakes LOL VERY DOUBTFULL.

@anonymus
yes, we can tell that you are "no scientist". we can also tell that you are no englush teechair.

we have one of these at our corporate headquarters.

Hm, I wonder...

If time travel does become possible, and someone decides to go back in time to make someone cease to exists, then would that not have already happened? Or would it maybe create a different timeline in which that person is already dead, which runs parallel to our own? If it is the former, then someone going back in time to kill his parents, or grandparents, or whatever, would then cease to exists, and then would not have done so, and if they didnt exists to do so, then he would exist to do so instead. That could cause some sort of eternal time paradox that would explode the multiverse or something.

Anyways, I'm greatly anticipating this experiment. I figure, if we all die in some cataclysmic explosion, then I might as well live it up now. If not, then it will have been fun up until then, and it will have been a few months to remember.

Gentlemen, "time travel" is a fantasy. It takes a specific amount of time to get from point "A" to point "B", and no matter how many times you cut that time in half by going faster (even faster than the speed of light (There is nothing special about the speed of light, we just assume there is because we think the effect of traveling faster than the speed of sound is a head trip, and so, the speed of light must be orgasmic) you will never, NEVER, be able to get anywhere before you left; it is physically impossible.
There is no physical "fabric of time" and you cannot rent a hole in it. The measurement of time was created by man to navigate and label occurrences along or within "linear time". If there were some mystical portal where a person could travel around at will along linear time, I'm sure someone would have stopped by and told us by now, unless maybe they just sold the device to Mobil or OPEC, in which case I suppose we will never know...
I can't believe someone spent an exhorbitant amount of manpower and money to research a child's SCI-FI fantasy, when there are large portions of their country living in poverty. (yeah, our too!)

"It takes a specific amount of time to get from point "A" to point "B"" -
and yet, a person orbiting the earth in a space ship will age less than the people on earth during the duration of his flight. so it seems that time is not a constant, or linear, and therefore that travel through time can be altered (sped up or slowed down).

"never, NEVER" -
words used quite a bit throughout history, and always proven wrong, given enough time.

"There is no physical "fabric of time" and you cannot rent a hole in it" -
just because it hasn't been found yet, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

"unless maybe they just sold the device to Mobil or OPEC, in which case I suppose we will never know..." -
possibly the most correct thing you've said. I always wondered why people assume that if time travel becomes possible, someone will travel to our time to tell us about it. that seems rather presumptuous.

"someone spent an exhorbitant amount of .. money to research a child's SCI-FI fantasy, ... poverty" -
even more correct than the prior statement. I always wonder why we spend all that money maintaining space shuttles, space stations, etc, etc. maybe there's more going on up there than our govts tell us?

The following quote is misunderstood.
"It takes a specific amount of time to get from point "A" to point "B"" -
and yet, a person orbiting the earth in a space ship will age less than the people on earth during the duration of his flight. so it seems that time is not a constant, or linear, and therefore that travel through time can be altered (sped up or slowed down).

It doesn't take an education to realize someone who orbits the earth, is obviously travelling there "SAID" days a little faster but not what we claim as a physical hour... meh.....

You exist for an hour here, if you maintain the same hour measurement he will have aged just the measured hour. The effects on space may lengthen your life, but you aren't going to change that measurement.

Time travel will only be a view, if they can ever proove it. Where would the MASS BE!!! Wait there wouldn't be... you are travelling faster than the light that is reflected, hence just viewing it. Last I knew I couldn't walk across a beam of light.

Where are you getting the idea that people age slower while orbiting the earth?
What are you basing this on? Seriously.

On a wise a$$ note however, if you're orbiting the earth, doesn't that make you a sattellite, and in that case, wouldn't the speed at which you roll over in your bunk constitute one day... :-0

That is like, well freaky! Ouch. If they do destroy the planet, I will be sad. Infact, using common sense, I won't even be alive to be sad. ):

I like living. (:

Boydi xXx

Wow - they invented a time machine. :O

Boydi xXx

It's very big! (:

How does it work? I want to go and meet Elvis. On second thoughts maybe not Elvis...how about the dinosaurs. I don't think I'll come back in one piece though unfortunately for me.

Boydi xXx

Something tells me that despite everything this experiment is going to work, but for completely irrelevant reasons that will have nothing to do with the machine itself. Like some horrible mishap right out of the Htichhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where we start up the machine and by sheer coincidence the universe unravels time in the exact location they will try to make it happen, and when the wormhole randomly disappears man kind will be left to question why the hell it stopped working.

The universe is kind of a bitch like that.

Or, you know, it could be a catastrophic failure. And probably will.

Aw well, here's hoping!!

Damn, I didn't think I'd be coming back to post on this thread again...but here goes:

#53: I invite you to read what I wrote, because clearly, you didn't read the technicalities I posted. This article is about having a particle travel through time. What I commented on was an equation I saw years ago that proved why HUMANS could not travel through time. I wasn't pretending I knew everything about anything. The truth is, I was merely regurgitating math that had been made a long time ago. So you have studied physics "in high school and beyond" which leads me to guess that you just got out of high school having taken a physics class, and the "beyond" was perhaps you dropping a ball and taking a measurement or reading the speedometer.

I have a few degrees under my belt, with several lab-hours, equations, facts, and knowledge, which translates into: I know a bit more than the average joe. Some would call me a scientist, some would call me doctor material, but that's neither here nor there. I'm on no high horse, I merely remarked on something different from the post. I must agree with 80 & 82 on what they said.

Luddites...sorry to say buddy but the idea that people in space age slower...well you're close...you were missing a clause in there. They'd age slower if they traveled at the speed of light. Being in space produces health detriments which NASA has been trying to combat for many years (like muscle atrophy, getting used to gravity, etc.) So no, they age at the same rate as the rest of us. Some say that being in space prolongs life, others say the opposite...not enough evidence to make a decision on that.

@82
"It doesn't take an education to realize someone who orbits the earth, is obviously travelling there "SAID" days a little faster but not what we claim as a physical hour... meh....."

yes, but it does take an education to realize that time is relative, Einstein! read on, unless you're afraid that your tiny brain will explode.

@83 - since you asked, here it is:

sorry. I left out the fact that the orbit is being done in a high speed rocket. it's one of Einstein's basic theories. this should explain it:
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/timewarp.htm
if you want, just read the "scenario" and "summary" sections first, then read the rest to understand science. highlights:
"Bob and the rocket have aged only 12 years while Ann and the Earth have aged 20 years."
"traveling at high speed changes how fast you see time pass on distant objects."

so, if you travel in a rocket, and return to earth having only experienced the passing of 12 earth years, while everyone on earth (and the earth itself) have experienced the passing of 20 earth years, you have actually traveled into the future. sadly, it took you 12 years (unlike theoretical time travel, which would be instantaneous to the traveler) to travel 20 years, thereby only putting you 8 years into the future.

and if you want more advanced reading
http://www.livescience.com/mysteries/080208-relativity.html
this discusses (among other things) the warping of space-time around a black hole. warping time is one of the things that makes time travel still possible to achieve.

@guate6
I started writing my previous rely before I yours was posted (it just took a long to post - system thought I was a new user, and wouldn't post immediately).

"sorry to say buddy but the idea that people in space age slower...well you're close...you were missing a clause in there. They'd age slower if they traveled at the speed of light."

true, I missed a clause. wrong that it must be the speed of light. check the links I provided. traveling at 80% the speed of light (which is really, really fast) will allow the traveler to age slower than the observer on earth.

First, it IS possible for something to go FASTER then speed of light.
probably not "travel" or "move an object" but yes, faster of speed of light is possible. think about a black hole who absorb light. Because light can't escape it. So in a way, this "light" does go faster then his own speed when it is "suck in it" Einstein just said it was impossible for an OBJECT to travel faster then the speed of light because it would acquire infinite weight and the acceleration would destroy that object because of it's own mass.

thanks #21.
and yes, the time paradox is only a paradox to the naked eyes. there is very good explanation where you could go back in time and kill your parent and still exist. there is the theory of multivers (in opposite to univers) Parrallel univers where each possible variation create another univers, creating a infinite possibility of univers. So when you go back in time, killing your parrent, you just happen to switch into an univers where your "parent" where killed and where you don't exist. making it "probably" impossible to return to your own univers where your parrent are still alive and where you are the one that have disapeared because you switched to a parrallel univers.

Finally, such experience are VERY dangerous for many reason. Just like when they experiment on the atom bomb without knowing what it would actually do. In order to create a rip in the fabric in time, you need an infinite
amount of energy. The only thing that create such massive amount of energy is to my knowledge a micro black hole. If they DO create a stable micro black hole, we're in deeep shit. Since they intend to create the thing on earth, I would be verrrrry worry of the consequence if the sucker is stable. it would actually suck us in eventually. How fast the end of the world would be after May (date of experiment) that would depend how fast the black hole expend. unfortunately we don't have any mathematical basis on that since we never closely observed a black hole.

My best guess is that the experiment will probably not succeed... and if it PARTLY does, I hope it will scare the hell out of them enough to stop trying to play God with that kind of thing.

Luddites: simply because someone may age slower does not mean they're in the future...you should know better than that. Besides, your argument is purely theoretical, where I was simply introducing math and science into the mix. In any case, I must say I agree with #91. The equation I was trying to talk about near the beginning is that which he mentions about an object having infinite mass and collapsing in itself.

yes, my argument is purely theoretical. after all, until somebody develops technology advanced enough to either prove or disprove time travel, all discussions will be, by definition, theoretical.

however, the my previous posts (and links) serve a purpose - time is not linear, as many people would like to believe. if it is not linear, and if people can travel along the t-axis (x, y and z begin the physical dimensions, t being the temporal one) at different speeds (see prior post, and 1st link), then the possibility of time travel exists. after all, if we consider time to be just another axis, then what is time travel. it simply means traveling along that axis at a different velocity than other people (faster, slower, or even backwards).

and if time can be warped (see 2nd link in prior post), that adds to the possibility of time travel via wormholes.

"The equation I was trying to talk about "
when you actually find it and post it, then I'll read it and consider it.

Six years from now, I posted a comment on this thread that explains it all in laymens terms, and you will all, at that time, understand. The only thing is, you must all keep this thread alive at any cost. If you don't, you will alter the course of the universe, and all will be for naught... I just had to come back and let you know. :-)

I haven't seen anyone address this point, but, what do hadrons have to do with time? LHC = Large Hadron Collider. They want to prove particle theory. What does that have to do with time?

What about the idea that the two Russian scientists are wrong or have a hidden agenda or simply want 15 minutes of fame?

http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/

That's the site for the actual experiment. It's not about time travel, or black holes, or any of that other nonsense. As they say on the website: "For this purpose, we intend to carry out a comprehensive study of the hadrons, electrons, muons and photons produced in the collision of heavy nuclei." Now... it is possible that the only two scientists on earth to say that this experiment with rend the fabric of time are right, but they might be wrong. Be prepared to NOT NOTICE A SINGLE CHANGE IN YOUR LIFE! lol.

I'm excited to see the result, and yes it could go horribly wrong. However, the same organization that has developed the LHC is the one that developed the internet, so I have some confidence in them. Yes, it could be mislaid, but many an altarboy can tell you there is a lot of mislaid trust in this world.

As for time travel, what we are trying to achieve is the ability to offset our individual timesteam from everyone else's. To jump ahead 50 years and not be 50 years older. To jump back 50 years and not be unborn. To detatch our timestream, we have to figure out how to isolate it. Again, what does the LHC have to do with that?

As for the paradox theory about killing your parents, etc., if you can truly isolate your timestream then you would be immune from such paradoxes. You will have truly ceased to exist in the massed, combined timestream from the moment your experiment was a success and would have to run your stream parallel to another's to interact. How would your impact on the past affect everyone else? I agree with Patrice about parallel universes. You'd create your own past, present and future. 12 Monkeys is a great film for considering time travel impact. By my model, had Bruce Willis succeeded, he would have created a happy parallel universe to exist in. He would not have eliminated his own.

One more thing on Patrice: He's obviously french ("univers" without the "e") and yet his english is 90% better than quite a few of the other "appinions". Read, write & read what you write. Please.

Thank you.

You're right on it Nary! Good Comments!!!
And yes, 12 Monkeys was an ingenious work of cinema!

I sure hope, with an experiment of this magnitude, that they discover (uncover)something; anything, that may unlock a previously untapped source of energy we can use NOW to alleviate the fossil fuel problems we are all currently facing. All the other nuclear fuel discoveries are too darn expensive to maintain, or to develop, and they end up being discarded or only used by NASA.

http://www.livescience.com/technology/destroy_earth_mp.html

Thought some of you might get a chuckle out of this.

the real question is, can we use it as a weapon and wipe out the arabs.

russia rules! ы! chuvaki tak derjat'!

100TH!!!!!

#99: К сожалению, Россия не правилом. Ни одна страна не делает, даже не глупые Соединенных Штатов.

Luddites, I would be inclined to agree with you, but you maintain that time is real. Time is not real...we use devices to measure "time" but it's not "real."

#97: Awesome bill, great humor.

Oh and Luddites, if you continue to try to argue, then I think we should just agree to disagree. In the meantime, I invite you to read some interesting things (not necessarily to prove or disprove your/my points, though both arguments are within the readings), but for some fun/related reading (the three below, plus if you click my name, there's the fourth):

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_gp_sl.html

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Physics-1358/Speed-light-6.htm

http://www.phys.vt.edu/~jhs/faq/sr.html

This may post before my other post with links, but here's a fifth link (and it has some relevant equations):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_mass

Time traveling is only possible in one's mind.

gaute6,

interesting reading. haven't finished them all yet.

personally, I don't think time travel will be achieved through the use of speed of light (or "near" speed of light) travel. I think will be done by realizing that our 3 dimensional universe exists within a 4+ dimensional universe. but unlike conventional thinking, I don't agree that time is the 4th dimension - even a 2d person in a 2d universe experiences time.

anyway, much in the way that 2d universe could be folded onto itself in a 3d universe, without the 2d person knowing this was happening, until two edges of the folded plane touched, causing a "rip" in his space continuum, perhaps perceived as a wormhole, allowing his to move immediately from one end of his universe to the other, I believe that our 3d universe can be folded onto itself via a 4th dimension. after all, black holes bend both space and time, so why not?

and if space can be warped via a higher dimension, then why can't time. and if someone ever figures out how to do it (highly improbable), then they could travel freely and instantaeously through the space time continuum.

interesting, even though overly simplified -
http://www.tenthdimension.com/

Luddites: very interesting literature and concept.